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Krivit Drives Another Nail

July 29, 2011

Steven Krivit’s long-awaited report will soon be on your screen. There is little tension in its expectation as we can probably guess what he will have to say. With three dozen appendices, I expect it to include much detail – a technical mountain built from straw data. It cannot be dismissed at this point because he may deliver some bomb that no-one yet knows of. It will have to do just that to be of note.

If we get the long version of what he has already said, then we will learn little. Before his last report, we did not have enough information to count as proof and his subsequent analysis of non-proof left us exactly where we had been standing – waiting for the 1MW demo.

In preannouncing the report, he will likely get the rush he hopes for. We can probably guess the outcome for many: Those who believe already will think it a put-up job and those who think Rossi a fraud will feel vindicated. While I am ever hopeful for a successful 1MW launch, I am truly open to persuasion and if Krivit has the goods I will post it as such. Right now, I am more wary of his motives than I am of Rossi’s. It does not help when the last sentence of his announcement is this:

Last, I am deeply appreciative of the experts in the nuclear fission industry, who work with steam day in and day out, who followed this story with interest and who have contributed their knowledge and experience to this investigation.

There are a lot of people eager to make this thing go away and it seems an important subset working on those three dozen appendices are fission experts. On the one hand, they should have the skills to make the best of poor data and on the other, in 1989 the people best deemed fit to judge Pons & Fleischmann belonged to the same broad church.

To impress, the report will have to be more than an expanded version of: “Looking at the video, we conclude that…”

If it is more, we might have a sensation on our hands and if not, you have to wonder what Krivit’s real motive is.

I lied – the tension is building.

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19 Responses to Krivit Drives Another Nail

  1. mcap

    July 29, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Krivit made another short post, which is resumed in this phrase of his: “The device may produce some excess heat, but not nearly at the levels claimed by Rossi and his collaborators Sergio Focardi and Giuseppe Levi. “.
    It seems to me that we cannot expect much from the report #3: yes, it may produce heat but we don’t know how much.
    I had bigger expectations this morning about Krivit’s report but this last post is disappointing.

    • admin

      July 30, 2011 at 12:29 am

      If so, it’s an awful lot of noise for not much meat on one passive visit.


  2. Renzo

    July 29, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    All this story has made my day since january, really… better than a serial novel or a cliffhanger movie. Coming soon to websites and forums the next episode: “The Krivit manace”

  3. Ben

    July 30, 2011 at 3:04 am

    It is my suspicion that Krivit has taken sides in a simmering dispute between the Rossi and Piantelli camps. Until the last couple of weeks, a lot of people who have been following Rossi were really not aware of Piantelli’s work and Krivit’s association with Piantelli. Krivit has been quite critical of some LENR researchers but he seems to have never had a doubt about the validity of Piantelli’s work, which dates back to 1989.. Just read some of his stuff regarding it on New Energy Times.

    Perhaps Krivit feels that Rossi has infringed upon Pianteilli’s intellectual property rights and feels the need to defend him. It may even be the case that is what Rossi has done, especially as he has been working with Piantelli’s prior associate, Sergio Focardi. If any of this is the case, I would be disappointed that Krivit has not addressed this issue directly, and instead has taken up the mantle under the guise of an objective journalist.

    On the other hand, it is possible that Rossi knows enough about Piantelli’s work to perpetuate an elaborate scam based on what he has learned about Ni-H fusion from Focardi. Perhaps he has learned enough technical jargon and other details to fake himself this far. He does have experience in business and sometimes, for better or worse, that trumps sound science and good data. He has perhaps the best practical business knowledge of any LENR “researcher” thus far and it could be that his business acumen has given him the ability to perpetuate a hoax. I do not want to believe that is try but it may well be the case nonetheless.

    As stated previously, Krivit also has knowledge of Piantelli’s work and has been following him for many years. Based on his experience with the “real thing” in Piantelli, maybe he is able to discern the errors (or even fraud) in Rossi work that are not apparent to the rest of us, and he will reveal those in his final report.

    Yes, this is all getting very interesting.

  4. Jay

    July 30, 2011 at 4:34 am

    I feel the two public demonstrations and the few publicized private demonstrations are enough. If you must validate or invalidate Rossi’s claims right now, the place to look is not at the demonstrations but at the factories. If Rossi’s claims are real there should be a factory somewhere gearing up for production. Nobody would put up the considerable expense of tooling a factory without being convinced that the device he’s manufacturing works as advertised.

    • Jimbo Stoner

      July 30, 2011 at 3:27 pm

      What the man said. If I were Rossi, I’d have kept a zip-lip right up to where I had a 1000 kW demo to show, or even later, until I had a commercial product with a logo and a CE ticket and a price-sticker in a showroom.
      See, nothing else matters, “science” and “peer-review” and “reproducibility” be damned – a customer going out the showroom door with a VAT receipt and a credit-card payment slip in his wallet. Everything else is just the wind in the treetops.

      • timycelyn

        July 31, 2011 at 11:03 am

        Jimbo – brilliantly put! As a businessman/scientist myself -with extensive industrial patenting expereince – I understand only too well the pressures on Rossi, and I feel that in this particularly strage environment he is in he is doing exactly the right thing.

        I’m sure it’s intensely galling to the likes of Maryyugo, Goatguy and the rest of them that he has declined to play the ‘normal’ game, but to be honest the ‘normal’ way:

        a) Is VERY high risk from an IP protection standpoint – especially given the shenannigins over the patents he has in the pipeline..
        b) Has partially discredited itself with some very non-objective behaviour in the past. You could call it “Scientists behaving badly.” Some of them were about as dispassionate and objective as football supporters.
        c) Is, in a business sense, a waste of time! IP, regualtory approvals, UL/CE are the areas of focus outside of actual product development. The technical/scientific acceptance will come anyway when he has the 1MW unit running and validated.

  5. maryyugo

    July 30, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    >>See, nothing else matters, “science” and “peer-review” and “reproducibility” be damned <<

    I strongly disagree with that. Science, peer review and reproducibility by independent researchers PROVE that a technology is REAL. Scripted demonstrations done in the inventor's laboratory prove nothing. Rossi could have easily proven that the E-cat works last January. And he could have again proven it in any one week period since. I'd be happy to do it for him or with him and so would countless others who understand both heat transfer and fluid flow.

    If the E-cat is real, why Rossi has not done a definitive and independent proof of it is a mystery I can not understand.

    • Jimbo Stoner

      July 31, 2011 at 9:24 am

      MY: “I strongly disagree with that. Science, peer review and reproducibility by independent researchers PROVE that a technology is REAL.”

      So a technology can’t be “REAL(TM)” if it hasn’t been peer-reviewed by the priesthood? Horse-feathers. If Rossi’s / DGT’s gadget works well enough to run a turbine, it doesn’t matter a Puddle o’ Piss(TM) whether its prior history involves a dozen Nobelists and all of NASA’s resources; or Transylvanian dwarves using spokeshaves on unicorn horns; his technology is “real” either way. Money in the cash-register in exchange for a working product beats all the tonnage of academic papers ever printed.

      MY: “If the E-cat is real, why Rossi has not done a definitive and independent proof of it is a mystery I can not understand.”

      What’s to understand? He doesn’t give a fiddler’s fart about the opinion of the science establishment. You’re irrelevant; you don’t matter, you’re ciphers, zeroes , flies banging on the window-pane.

      And that, I suspect, is what’s really getting your underwear in a bunch; and it’s a spectacle I’m rather enjoying, I confess. See, I’m an engineer, and I have just about the lowest opinion possible of arrogant, bitchy, self-important, politically-motivated, tax-sucking, useless academics. A lovely wee bonus if the E-Cat succeds will be watching the whole breed of sneering, self-regarding salarymen that you find at, say, Randi’s site wipe the egg off their faces.

      Anyway, Rossi’s only the front end of this thing. What we really need to know is what Defkalion is doing. Time was, they had a useful little forum on their site, where, if you were polite and intelligent, you could actually get them to divulge useful information. ‘Course, it went the way of the passenger pigeon, when DGT decided the game wasn’t worth the candle, and canned it, on account of the activities of a coterie of ill-mannered, disruptive loudmouths from the “scientist” priesthood, chief amongst whom, if I recall, bore the initials MY.

      Just so there’s no misunderstanding. I’m not taking a position on the E-Cat. I’m keeping my powder dry until October.

      • Bob K

        July 31, 2011 at 8:40 pm

        Jimbo.. that was a brilliant post. It is precisely what I’ve been thinking since Defkalion GT suspended the forum. A lot of useful information was gathered from the replies of the moderators, only to be silenced by the relentless sniveling of those that just couldn’t get their way.

    • georgehants

      July 31, 2011 at 11:47 am

      Because he knows that peer review is equivalent to censoring anything new, by incompetent, closed-minded, non-achievers.
      So called premier journals must be bypassed on the internet for truthful research and thinking to again rule.
      Funding must be taken out of the hands of these same people.

    • Jimbo Stoner

      August 1, 2011 at 6:17 am

      Update: Rossi: “…. my only real problem is to manufacture plants which satisfy the needs of my Customers. Skepticism is not my business. Nor is my business if a person is convinced or not, so far he is not a Customer.” – from the JoNPh, and quoted upstream on this blog.

      Executive summary: Money talks, bullshit walks.

      • maryyugo

        August 1, 2011 at 4:40 pm

        >>Executive summary: Money talks, bullshit walks.<<

        For sure. That's what all scammers tell their marks.

        • Jimbo Stoner

          August 1, 2011 at 6:34 pm

          MY: “That’s what all scammers tell their marks.”

          Nope. It’s a fundamental of doing business. Maybe that’s your problem – a leftist academic who doesn’t get the notion of free and voluntary exchange under contract; doing business is a scam to you by definition, right?

          • maryyugo

            August 1, 2011 at 9:23 pm

            Ya know, Jimbo, as a psychic, you really suck, you do.

          • Jimbo Stoner

            August 1, 2011 at 10:22 pm

            Hey, come back here. I gave you four or five paragraphs, up yonder, of closely-reasoned polemic explaining why you and your petulant, repetitive, boring demands for public, independent, peer-reviewed, double-osculated, whatever-the-hell tests on the E-Cat are an insolent irrelevance, and you owe me more than bitchy teenage one-liners in return. You have no skin in the game, and Rossi and DGT owe you nothing. You appear to be entirely Unclear On The Concept in this respect, which leads me to believe you’re a leftoid entitlement-hog.

            And as I’ve explained before, I hold you and a couple of your skanky cobbers personally responsible for losing us the DGT forum, because you didn’t have the social skills to distinguish between starting a bar-room brawl on USENET and being a courteous guest on a private site.

  6. maryyugo

    July 30, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    >>There are a lot of people eager to make this thing go away <<

    I'm sure you and a lot of other people believe that. So how would it be done if the E-cat is real? Do you really think you can make a table top nuclear power reactor discovery go away by just talking about it? That's just silly nonsense. If the E-cat is real, everyone in the world will want one. There will be no conceivable way to make it "go away".

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  8. Loonyman

    August 3, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Hi folks… Just passing through, but a thought for you folks..

    I am a sceptic (not of the psudo type) and hope very very much that the e-cat turns out to be more than hot air, however…

    There has been NOT ONE convincing demonstration of the e-cat so far which could not have been easily faked. This a fact, like it or not. Why so?

    It would be VERY EASY to arrange a demonstration that proved beyond REASONABLE doubt that the e-cat works, but this has not been done. Why so?

    I know that if Rossi and co produce a working system for all the world to see in a month or 2 then these questions become irrelevant, but until then it is foolish to not ponder on the answer to these questions….

    And with the history of “free energy” and “cheap energy” claims having provided exactly NO positive results over the last 2 or 3 hundred years, I would expect any serious claimant of a new “earth shattering” method for producing energy to be just a little less sloppy in demonstration.

    I also laugh at the ” businessman” and “scientist’s” who demand less than that. I can only guess your success rates with standards of due diligence so low !!

    Anyway, I wish the e-cat the best luck in the world, god knows we need something like this, however with all the red flags waving, I doubt very much this is the one. 🙁