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Rossi Sues IH, Darden, Vaughn, IPH & Cherokee Investment Partners – Updated

April 7, 2016

Update with IH Press Release Below

Original Post:

Rossi continues to surprise. Is he a genius destined to save the world, mentally ill or an old fraud with balls the size of a planet?

According to the complaint, Rossi did everything asked of him. A final payment of $89,000,000 should have followed publication of a report detailing a successful year-long run of a 1MW eCat. Rossi charges that Darden, Vaughn, IPH & Cherokee Investment Partners have:

“…meticulously and systematically defrauded ROSSI in an effort to misappropriate Plaintiffs’ intellectual property rights in the E-Cat IP.”

At last, through the suit, we get some meat on the bones of this saga. When reading the document, however, remember that we are ‘hearing’ the story according to Rossi without the counter argument from IH and Co. One might assume that certain asserted ‘facts’ are genuine or approximate truths. Thus we learn that:

The relationship leading to their agreement started in 2012,

IH was granted a licence for North, South and Central America, The Caribbean, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Arabian Emirates.

Total payment for the licence was to be $100,500,000 over three stages.

$1,500,000 was to be paid on execution of the agreement

$10,000,000 to be paid after successful completion of a 24 hour validation test by an ‘independent expert’ (termed expert responsible for validation or ERV)

$89,000,000 to be paid after successful completion of a 350 day performance test to be carried out by the ERV or another independent expert agreed by the parties.

Central to the suit is the license agreement. Rossi is suing on 8 counts.

The document detailing the suit should be read with reference to the agreement and not to our own judgement of Rossi’s character or to the worth of his eCat claims. In my inexpert opinion, filing for a trial by jury increases Rossi’s chance of winning irrespective of any future eCat success or failure.

By citing Cherokee as well as IH, IHP and the individuals involved, he is exposing them to potentially damaging publicity. The complexity of this case should not be underestimated. Like it or not, Rossi has credible scientists documented as backing his claims. He has multiple reports of apparent ‘independent’ tests conducted over extensive periods of time – all supporting the eCat’s performance claims. It appears that IH paid out the 1st and 2nd installments. It could be inferred that they were therefore happy with the results of the 24 hour test and recognised the ERV as qualified to conduct it. Otherwise, why would they pay the $10,000,000? Clearly, something happened between that point and now to spoil the water.

Rossi, it seems, has a healthy war chest. He is squaring up to serious money on the other side of the ring. In the centre is a quagmire of complexity where proof-of-eCat is subordinate to the letter of the law in relation to the details in the contract.

Is this a master-stroke by Rossi or a desperate move to head off a potential attack by multiple parties?

If this case makes it to court, it will be interesting to hear IH’s side of the story. However, I doubt Cherokee, Darden or Vaughn will welcome the damage such a messy scuffle will likely cause them – even if they win their case. Nothing can be taken for granted, including a quiet settlement in favour of Rossi and an information vacuum thereafter.

Few here would argue that they do not have a case. It is easy to attack Rossi and his many broken promises and he has his share of public documentation refuting his claims. A good example of this lies in the recent rejection of one of his US Patents. The following statement is quite damning and goes to the heart of the reality of this whole affair:

“The affidavit filed by the inventor on 12 Jun 2015 is acknowledged, however the arguments of the affidavit are not persuasive. Applicant avers that the two submitted papers demonstrate independent confirmation of the device operability. Examiner respectfully disagrees.”

It is worth reading the rejection in the context of the suit. Common sense might argue that Rossi has never provided truly independent proof of his claims. Even so, despite an army of scientists that would rightfully scoff at his assertions, few can lay claim to first-hand communion with an eCat and none to the extent that the Swedes, the ERV and other ‘experts’  in his circle can. The USPTO rejection helps IH should they defend themselves by claiming they do not think the test was independent but will that be enough? The USPTO offers no more than an opinion while Rossi has apparently substantive reports from those who – unlike the USPTO – have actually tested the thing.

IH et al have an uphill battle. It does not help that they were apparently happy with the ERV at stage 2, that they seem to have helped convince others to invest (Woodford?) or that they made public pronouncements supporting Rossi and claimed to have performed due diligence.

All of this points to a protracted and embarrassing court-case that could ultimately harm the business interests of those involved (including, indirectly, Woodford). Is there a line where such harm will cost far more than a few million to settle out of court?

Perhaps the defendants will surprise us and deliver a blow we have yet to see coming. At this point it is difficult to tell if this story is going to explode or fade to a whimper.

I look forward to reading your thoughts.

ETA – Please note that my position has not changed. I do not trust or believe Rossi has what he says. He has created a shield with the reputations of others and that will help his legal case. He may lose but it will not be the simple trial many sceptics believe should follow – particularly where a non-scientific jury is concerned. I observe this merely to wonder if the resultant reputational risk could be enough to induce an out of court settlement.


Press release from Industrial Heat:

Industrial Heat Statement on Meritless Litigation from Leonardo Corporation and Andrea Rossi
15:15 ET from Industrial Heat, LLC

RESEARCH TRIANGLE, N.C., April 7, 2016 /PRNewswire/ — We are aware of the lawsuit filed by Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation against Industrial Heat. Industrial Heat rejects the claims in the suit. They are without merit and we are prepared to vigorously defend ourselves against this action. Industrial Heat has worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology – all without success. Leonardo Corporation and Mr. Rossi also have repeatedly breached their agreements. At the conclusion of these proceedings we are confident that the claims of Mr. Rossi and Leonardo Corporation will be rejected.

Industrial Heat continues to be focused on a scientifically rigorous approach that includes thorough, robust and accurate testing of promising LENR technologies. Our goal remains to deliver clean, safe and affordable energy.

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2,286 Responses to Rossi Sues IH, Darden, Vaughn, IPH & Cherokee Investment Partners – Updated

  1. Linkin Rowed

    June 17, 2016 at 5:11 pm

    Pweet’s unvarnished truth on E-Dummy World:

    Pweet Ged • an hour ago [17 JUN 16]

    We don’t need to know how long it takes other people; we need to know how long it takes Mr Rossi. Fortunately we already have some experience of how that is. It’s in excess of five years, with still no eta for any product at all, in spite of numerous promises of imminent massive production.
    In 2011 he claimed many times “We are not making idle chatters. We are making products.”, and words to the effect that further demonstrations were not required because the market will decide, plus numerous proclamations of robotized factories being set up in various places making products so cheap that nobody will bother to copy and compete. (a most unlikely scenario considering how cheap the Chinese can make things for.)
    But so far? Nothing! No factories, no robots, and most importantly, no products for the market to decide anything about.
    Having followed this charade from the beginning I can reliably say the language we are hearing now is identical to that which we heard five years ago, and on a regular basis since. This time is just one more. Nothing else.

    Had the performance of this latest incarnation of Rossi’s brilliance been confirmed by anyone reputable it might give some hope that this time might be different but even from the words of his magnificent team of the Swedish partners, it is obvious that these present results of COP’s of up to 200, the same as for the original ecat by the way, are established only by more of ‘Rossi says’. On the back of everything that has happened so far, I don’t take that as being at all reliable. Now, if he has what he says, he can rectify that any time he likes, but at this point I am certain he wont.
    Why not? Well, for the same reasons he never has before. Protecting IP, safety reasons, product requires more research and development first, waiting on the results of latest tests, partner wont allow publication,… anything at all really so long as it suits the ends of not producing anything to the market where it might actually be realistically tested and proven.

    Pweet, how do you get away with this stuff, man?? I never said anything even close to this bad on E-Dummy World, and I’ve been banned for months!

    • Jami

      June 17, 2016 at 5:43 pm

      Yeah, same here. Maybe I shouldn’t have started my posts with “Dear complete fools, bumbling idiots and utter morons, …” but there’s only so much you can say to water it down.

    • Pweet

      June 18, 2016 at 2:02 pm

      Gee,.. I dunno. Truth, justice, clean living, regular catnaps,.
      It’s like,.. you know,.. I dunno,.. yeah,.. that’s pretty much it really,.. can’t be more explicit than that.
      I hope that helps.

  2. Linkin Rowed

    June 17, 2016 at 5:43 pm

    Great article on nuclear power in Sweden:

    I simply cannot understand why the Swedes would want to build ten new nuclear reactors when Mighty Mouse Rossi is on his way to save the day with Quarkies.

    Here I come to save the day!!:

    I wonder how many Quarkies it would take to replace ten nuclear reactors at 1000 MWe each. I’m guessing a lot. Rossi had better get busy on that “robot factory.”

    My emails to the Swedish authorities will need to be updated to reflect this earth-shattering news:

    Bob K
    June 17, 2016 at 5:59 AM
    Andrea, are you still in Sweden? If so, How are negotiations for the factory building going?
    Cheers, BK

    Andrea Rossi
    June 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM
    Bob K:
    I am in the USA, but the negotiations are proceeding because we are going to do it. The decision has been taken. We will have two poles of manufacturing: one in the USA and one in Sweden.
    Warm Regards,

    Florida is going to lose the greatest inventor in the history of humanity. I think we should all send emails to Florida Governor Rick Scott (, and ask him to beg Rossi to stay in Miami. Maybe an offer of free room and board in a nice prison cell would do the trick.

  3. Linkin Rowed

    June 17, 2016 at 5:46 pm

    Three “preliminar”s in the same reply! A new world’s record!

    June 17, 2016 at 8:47 AM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    About the test with the Quarkx, there are in the blogs complaints that the test has been made only by you, without independent verification.

    Andrea Rossi
    June 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM
    I published these preliminar results, after the preliminar R&D made internally by us, not to proclaim a validation, but to give information, saying adamantly that the results are preliminar and need confirmation. The information is important, the photo I published is a mine of information extremely important ( for persons able to read it) and I published all this for enthusiasm to be shared with our Readers, but with a clear disclaimer that I am continuing to repeat.
    Obviously the validation of a product will have, in due time, a different kind of base.
    Warm Regards,

    What a dope!

  4. Linkin Rowed

    June 17, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    For all of you who follow the misadventures of Andrea Rossi and his E-Cat, you are absolutely going to love this guy:

    And if you’d like to study “invisible terrestrial entities” over the weekend, then be sure to check this out:

    Must see TV:

    What is it with crazy old Italian guys and Florida??

    If Rossi and Santilli ever decide to work together, then the world as we know it will come to an end.

    • JKW

      June 18, 2016 at 11:11 am

      Linkin, no one gives a shit about Rossi, except Syffie and a few retards on ECW. The world as we know it will come to an end regardless of what anyone does. The sun is getting hotter every minute.

      • JKW

        June 18, 2016 at 11:34 am

        Ouch, I didn’t mean AGW. I only had a red giant on my mind.

      • Linkin Rowed

        June 18, 2016 at 2:03 pm

        I agree that Rossi is fading into oblivion. The “rossilivecat” website stats are hilarious ( Even the bizarre Quarkie won’t help him, although a fraud indictment or an IH countersuit might boost his numbers.

        My Rossi/Santilli joke apparently failed. You know how a U-235 fission bomb works: two slightly subcritical masses get slammed into each other, forming a supercritical mass. With both Rossi and Santilli being crazy as hell, I thought any collaboration would form a supercritical mass of crazy and destroy the planet.

        Failed jokes are even worse when you have to explain them. Sorry.

  5. sifferkoll

    June 17, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    My emails to the Swedish authorities will need to be updated to reflect this earth-shattering news:

    Oh. We have some really stupid people here in Sweden as well. Wouldn’t call them authorities though. But hey – why don’t you whine together with the donkeys Pomp and Ekström. You’ll get along well …

    • tyy

      June 17, 2016 at 9:36 pm

      I am sure you will see that the fuckwittery continues.

  6. sifferkoll

    June 17, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    MadDog Zoepfl:

    Maybe an offer of free room and board in a nice prison cell would do the trick.

    As you probably realize by now, the all-inclusive resort you describe will much more likely be populated by a “mad dog” instead, due to numerous IH paid accusations of fraud …

  7. Mary Yugo

    June 18, 2016 at 1:40 am

    We should have contest to see who can predict the last Rossi supporter when the fiasco comes to an end. Siffy has my vote for the moment.

    • tyy

      June 18, 2016 at 7:26 am

      Siffy has turned into a raving maniac lately. Who knows what he will support in the future.

      But yes, I agree, he will be among the very last ones to believe in rossifiction.

    • Frank

      June 18, 2016 at 9:53 am

      There won’t be just one “last” Rossi supporter.
      The ones who believe – just because Rossi says so – that Rossi invented a magic toothpick which produces excess heat, electricity and light… this guys will just buy everything what their master tells them, regardless how ridiculous and unfounded it is.

      Same as there are still guys around who believe that Papp has developed a ‘nobel gas engine’ which runs on “free energy, (btw where is DSM now?), there will be, even long time after Rossi left this world, people saying that Rossi had working LENR reactors, e-cats, Quarks, 1MW plants… but his technology got suppressed by a conspiracy from the Bilderbergers, Illuminati etc.
      Rational arguments will never change the mindset of this people, and I’m afraid that there isn’t any other cure for them either.

      So, better ignore a few maniacs, lay back and enjoy the final chapter of the Rossi show… the court case.
      BTW: There is now from Rossi’s lawyer a response to the MTD.

        • Mary Yugo

          June 18, 2016 at 5:37 pm

          Jag Kaurah • 2 hours ago
          The document contains the following as part of the reason to dismiss IH application
          “E-Cat Unit has satisfied andlor exceeded each and every minimum performance criteria set forth
          in the License Agreement”

          Yah shoore it has, LOL.

          • Linkin Rowed

            June 18, 2016 at 9:31 pm


            In lawyer land, this is what is known as a “material false statement.” This particular one has some really bad consequences for both Rossi and his lawyer.

            For Rossi, it opens the door for a countersuit from IH/Jones Day even wider than it already was.

            For Rossi’s Silver Law lawyers, it exposes them to a disciplinary hearing before the Florida bar. No sane person could have looked at Rossi’s delusional crap and pathetic pack of lies for over two months and concluded that any of it was real.

        • Ivy Matt

          June 18, 2016 at 10:45 pm

          It looks like Rossi has the tiger firmly by the tail. I wonder how well he’s prepared his lawyers for the countersuit.

    • JKW

      June 18, 2016 at 11:51 am

      I vote for Frankie Acland. Syffie is just an episode, like an ass sore and GreenWin.

      • Pweet

        June 19, 2016 at 11:24 am

        I haven’t seen Greenwin around recently.
        I think he may have transmogrified into Engineer48. The language is very similar.
        It used to be that just one statement posted about Rossi which was less than complimentary would bring Greenwin out wildly pressing the ‘banned’ key. I hope he’s not in intensive care after the shock of the Rossi/IH partnership falling in a heap. That sort of thing can cause permanent psychological damage resulting in post-traumatic stress disorder. Although I don’t know why that would have come as any surprise because Uncle Bob, a very dear friend of mine, did warn about it a number of times long before it happened. But then who can read all these warnings anyway so maybe he missed them. Gee, I hope he’s not unwell.

        • Bronco bet

          June 21, 2016 at 1:36 am

          Second the idea that GW is lying engineer.

    • Ascoli65

      June 18, 2016 at 12:58 pm

      @ Mary Yugo,
      “We should have contest to see who can predict the last Rossi supporter when the fiasco comes to an end.”

      IMO, the Ecat saga will not come to an end, and it is not a “fiasco”.

      Many people will keep on believing that Rossi did find the way to harness the CF energy, but they will be induced to think that some evil power has hindered him in giving the mankind the benefits of his invention. The same happened for Tesla, whose myth did likely inspire the storytellers who wrote the subject of the Rossi movie.

      If you place this story in the correct frame, it is an incredible success for all its protagonists. Rossi will held its 11.5 M$. IH got much more money from other investors, and is going to use them for feeding the LENR activities and propaganda throughout the next 5-10-20 years. There are billions of people out there ready to believe in whichever energy miracle. Where is the fiasco?

      This story is a “debacle” only for the scientific system, and for its reliability. All the Rossi’s credibility comes, in some way, from the academics. In the future, the Ecat propaganda will keep on saying that so many scientists and academicians have looked closely at the Ecat and claimed that it worked, and that none of them has withdrawn from these positions. This is an undisputable fact, and many Ecat believers around the world are right in basing their belief on the sentences of these scientists, at least until their scientific institutions will not dutifully decide to restore the truth.

      • Jami

        June 18, 2016 at 1:25 pm

        I don’t think it’ll be noticed at all. Kullander is dead, the other Swedes aren’t exactly prominent and retired or close to it and Levi has never done anything of note anyway. So who cares?

        • Ascoli65

          June 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm

          @ Jami,
          “I don’t think it’ll be noticed at all. Kullander is dead, the other Swedes aren’t exactly prominent and retired or close to it and Levi has never done anything of note anyway.

          The endorsement given by the academic world to the reality of the Ecat will be used to spread and sustain its myth among peoples. The support gained from the academicians is even more effective after they are no more able to withdraw it.

          Look at the myth fabricated around Tesla (1). In this case it is based on the real inventions he made in the first years of his activity, it’s a self-based myth. On the contrary, the Rossi’s myth will grow on the sentences of many academicians from prominent scientific seats. With the time, the memory of what really happened will fade away, and the perceived truth will only depend upon the propaganda intensity of the different positions on the media, especially on the web. Someone already started on fabricating the basis of this myth (2): “This is the one of the most disturbing aspect of the Rossi story. It makes me suspect he may have had real excess heat at some point. Perhaps he has forgotten how to make it. I have heard that he does not keep prototypes or notes, so he may have forgotten how to make a reactor type from years before. Jim Patterson had this problem.”

          It will become a matter of “popular science”, a surrogate of religion for many people which have been induced in the last decades in believing that the science can provide a suitable response to every problem. For what we have seen up to now, the mainstream science has a little interest in restoring the truth within the popular science, because a big portion of its funding comes from such widespread believing.

          So who cares?”

          I think that all of us should care that the scientists don’t play dirty tricks in order to get financing on impossible researches. Especially in the energy field, where the popular perception could heavily influence the decision makers in determining the fate of the humankind.


          • Jami

            June 19, 2016 at 8:27 am

            “The endorsement given by the academic world…”

            I have no idea what you’re on about. If you interpret everybody with a degree believing in something as an “endorsement given by the academic world”, you’ll have a hard time finding any stupidity, crazy idea or wild claim that doesn’t deserve this title. Rossi is just one more in an endless supply.

    • sifferkoll

      June 18, 2016 at 3:28 pm

      Ok. I can live with that.

      But, more interesting is what kind of consequencies should be applied an all the trolls that accused Rossi of criminal activities whan it turns out they have been malicious.

      I like the sauna idea. Tyy I believe has agreed to deny the heat generated by the cats ad inifinitum…

    • Linkin Rowed

      June 18, 2016 at 4:57 pm

      Rumor has it that Butt Sniffer’s goal in life is to be a robot in Rossi’s Swedish robot factory. Rossi has already pithed Butt Sniffer’s brain so that he would qualify.

      Butt Sniffer does it for the money. If IH would offer him more money than Rossi pays him, then he would work for them. He is also stupid and delusional enough himself to think that he is in the “entertainment” business, whereas in reality, as Rossi’s minion, he is in the investment fraud business.

      • tyy

        June 18, 2016 at 7:45 pm

        Maybe Sniffie is just a fool he appears to be and won’t be paid by anyone no matter what.

        • Linkin Rowed

          June 18, 2016 at 9:34 pm

          I am going to find out. If he gets a paycheck from Rossi, then he’s a lock for being an accessory to fraud. His recent antics on Rossi’s behalf may qualify him for that dubious distinction in any case.

        • Frank

          June 19, 2016 at 6:26 pm

          I also don’t think that he gets paid.
          But as you can see from this shareholder list, he has a little bit of money in HydroFusion.

          It is through ARRETON:

          Well, it’s not much what he (and his partner Therese) put at risk – you might spend more money one evening for a good dinner with your date – but he probably really believes that after an e-cat breakthrough the value of HydroFusion will skyrocket.

          • Linkin Rowed

            June 20, 2016 at 4:40 pm


            Thank you very much for this info. It’s very helpful.

            I also wanted to congratulate you on the “Magic Toothpick” moniker for the Quarkie. Truly a stroke of genius. You should consider applying for a trademark.

            It appears that Butt Sniffer’s responsibilities in Rossi fantasyland may be increasing:

            Gunnar Lindberg
            June 19, 2016 at 1:29 PM
            Dear Andrea Rossi,
            I have noticed that many questions asked on JNP only is partially answered. I fully understand that you cant spend necessary time dealing with The Journal. You have to focus on development and production, not to mention the court case. May I suggest that you employ someone to help with public relations? Torkel “sifferkoll” Nyberg may be the man for you. He is well known and generally trusted in the LENR community.
            Warm Regards
            Gunnar Lindberg

            Andrea Rossi
            June 19, 2016 at 3:17 PM
            Gunnar Lindberg:
            I am sorry if sometime I am under strong pressure for the normal work and it happens that some questions are partially answered: I am sorry for this, but I prefer to maintain a direct contact with our Readers, because I have much to learn from them and because I like this. If sometime I am too fast giving my answers, “repetita juvant” and I will be delighted to make up, if possible. Please consider, though, that it also happened that I did not give answers on purpose, being related to confidential questions or to issues I cannot talk about.
            Warm Regards,

            BTW, “Gunnar Lindberg” is Rossi in another one of his insane personas. A faux Swedish Rossi sock puppet.

            Still think Butt Sniffer’s not on Rossi’s payroll? He’s getting a lot of attention from his evil master for an unpaid volunteer. Especially for one who’s stupid enough to give me new contacts in Sweden:

            Oh. We have some really stupid people here in Sweden as well. Wouldn’t call them authorities though. But hey – why don’t you whine together with the donkeys Pomp and Ekström. You’ll get along well …[posted by Butt Sniffer, June 17, 2016 at 7:15 pm].

            What a moron! Rossi cheaped out on this dope the same way he cheaps out on everything. Maybe someday he’ll learn that you get what you pay for (unless you’re Darden/IH, of course).

  8. Linkin Rowed

    June 18, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    Fascinating delusional lunacy:

    “Where leads us the Cherokee Investment Partners – Industrial Heat LLC – NRG Energy trace?”

    “Where leads us the Darden micro grid patent trace?”

    For that matter, where leads us the pathological liar and delusional lunatic Rossi? Why, to the Magic Toothpick, of course! [Kudos to Frank above].

    This knucklehead may have performed one useful task by identifying the infamous “14 investors” of IH SEC Form D fame. What a motley crew of rich-guy dopes and wishful thinkers:

    John Mazzarino, John Linger, JT Vaughn, David W. Crane, Craig M. Cogut, Jos van der Hyden, Jim Szyperski, Joseph Forbes, Stephen C. Knapp, Christopher Wedding, William McDonough, John Dewey Weaver, Roy W. Mall, JT Thompson

    I’m sure that there is a vast stupid rich-guy conspiracy to stop a ludicrous technology that they now claim “never worked in the first place.” When the rubber meets the road, what’s Rossi gonna do, pull out a Quarkie??

    • Pweet

      June 19, 2016 at 11:33 am

      I thought Dewey Weaver must have had some money in the game for him to be coming out so strongly against Rossi. I wonder how much he put in?

      • Linkin Rowed

        June 19, 2016 at 3:05 pm


        Darden claims that he paid Rossi the $10 million from his own money (it sure must be nice to be able to piss away $10M like that and not even think about it). That leaves about another $1.5M of stupid rich guy money to get to the $11.5M. If there really are “14 investors” plus Darden, then that would be 15 knuckleheads to contribute. Assuming that they each have an equal share in this idiocy, then each one probably ponied up $100K. Just spitballin’ here.

        And now the stupid rich guys all agree that Rossi’s E-Cat crap “never worked in the first place.” Wow. What a fiasco.

  9. Linkin Rowed

    June 18, 2016 at 11:35 pm

    The real audacity of Rossi is that he couldn’t care less if his lies are consistent. First, nickel-to-copper transmutation, then proton-lithum-7 fusion. Even when his own followers call him out, it makes no difference:

    Steven N. Karels
    June 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    Recalling the Lagunao [sic] testing, the eCat reactor was about 20cm in length and 2cm is diamters [sic] and the reactor output about 2400W of thermal power. The newest eCat (that we know about) is 1mm is diameter and 30mm in length and outputs 100W. So the power density has gone from 38W/cc to 4240W/cc.

    Likewise, the effective COP has moved from around 6 to about 200. Quite an improvement!

    Is there any reason to believe the newest eCat cannot be scaled up in size, say by a factor of three in all dimensions, and produce between 9 and 27 times the thermal output power?

    Andrea Rossi
    June 18, 2016 at 4:29 PM
    Steven N. Karels:
    The results with the QuarkX have to be verified and confirmed.
    Warm Regards,

    What a total crock. Bullshit detector alarm on every scale!

    • CimPy

      June 19, 2016 at 10:56 pm

      “The real audacity of Rossi is that he couldn’t care less if his lies are consistent”

      What for? Consistency is optional when someone believes in dreams.

      Those who do believe, do not need – they have faith in miracles being realized 24 hour a day for over six years – and for them, their Guru really lived inside a container for quite an year while heat should have been over-unity all around.

      No need of consistency, if you can believe that – or in Cold Fusion discovered while in a jail.

      • Linkin Rowed

        June 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm

        From Ralph Waldo Emerson:

        “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — ‘Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.’ — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.”

        You are absolutely right! The hell with consistency! In addition to being a “pure and wise spirit,” it surely helps to be certifiably insane.

  10. Jami

    June 19, 2016 at 8:04 am

    Rossi the second aka me356 on lenr forum:

    “Progress with my reactors is on the good way. Now it is not that easy to melt it and even if it happen, the outer shell will survive.

    I have also found new directions where to go. Observed phenomenons are so strange that I can’t understand, how something like this is possible.
    Well, I understand it now, but with logical thinking it is not easy. Similar as that you can park submarine in a matchbox.

    So I am very amazed. Some things related with LENR are looking like a cheating in physics.

    Also I can observe transmutations even by optical analysis now. So I will send some fuel for lab analysis, although I am perfectly sure what it is.”

    Let me guess – it’s gold man, GOLD.

  11. Ascoli65

    June 19, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    @ Jami, you wrote:

    If you interpret everybody with a degree believing in something as an “endorsement given by the academic world”, you’ll have a hard time finding any stupidity, crazy idea or wild claim that doesn’t deserve this title. Rossi is just one more in an endless supply.

    No, sorry, you are wrong. The endorsement given by the academics to a crazy idea as the Ecat is unparalleled in the history of academic physics, by number, prestige, and role of the people involved and by the duration of this support.

    Where do you think it comes the justification for all the attention that governments, prominent scientific institutions, and research centers of big companies gave throughout the last years to the wild claims of a controversial philosopher?

    Here is just an example of what you find in the Elforsk’s report on LENR: “Knowledge of LENR technology from manufacturers is not of independent kind. (…). It only with independent researchers conducted the validation is done by researchers from the University of Bologna, together with Swedish Researchers from Uppsala University and KTH. But it covers only energy exchange.”

    Any doubt? This is what declared the first author of the Elsforsk report: “The only thing you can trust today completely is the University of Bologna and University of Uppsala’s analysis. It is rigorously made.”

    The results claimed in the so called “independent” report financed by Elforsk has been presented by IH as the main justification for its purchase of the Ecat’s rights: “Mr. Vaughn confirmed IH acquired the intellectual property and licensing rights to Rossi’s LENR device after an independent committee of European scientists conducted two multi-day tests at Rossi’s facilities in Italy.”

    The lead member of the above cited “independent committee of European scientists” is the same that wrote the calorimetric report of the January 14, 2011 demo, the event that triggered all this circus.

    So, the bottom layer of this huge house of cards, which has fooled (and is going to fool) millions of people around the world, has been built up by a dozen of academicians of some prominent Universities. These Universities have the onus to authoritatively restore the scientific truth, before the memory of the real facts gets lost, and the myth of a device that (once upon a time …) generated 12 kW of heat from only one kW of electricity impresses indelibly in the collective memory.

    • JNewman

      June 19, 2016 at 2:01 pm

      The endorsement given by the academics to a crazy idea as the Ecat is unparalleled in the history of academic physics, by number, prestige, and role of the people involved and by the duration of this support.

      That is simply, utterly and demonstrably false.

      • Ascoli65

        June 19, 2016 at 3:37 pm

        @ JNewman,
        please, demonstrate its falsity.

        Tell me which other idea, as crazy as the one that an ugly tinfoiled table top device invented by a controversial philosopher could have produced 12 kW of heat being fed by only one kW of electricity, has been endorsed and supported for years by a dozen of physicists of 3 prestigious and ancient Universities, including some prominent members of those scientific institutions.

        Consider also that that we are in the internet era, and their involvement in the demos and their confirmation of the energy wild claims is publicly available in dozen of videos, pictures, and other online documents.

        • Mary Yugo

          June 19, 2016 at 5:24 pm

          Ascoli, I’m sorry but I never understand what you are getting at with all that obscure wording. Can someone translate for me? Restate? Dozens of physicists endorsed the ecat and still do? Which ones? I only know of poor Kullander, Essen, the three Swedish blind mice, and Levi, the coffee machine expert. None is “prominent.” And to their credit, Kullander and Essen never said the ecat worked– they only said they saw something they did not understand and could not account for with “conventional” physics and chemistry. As for the other “prominent” physicists, they aren’t all physicists, they are not prominent but rather very obscure and lacking in accomplishments, and they have been extremely quiet ever since their original two blunders of tests. Hear anything from them lately? Shouldn’t they feature prominently in Rossi’s lawsuit? Yet strange, they have made no statements.

          And then there is the kindly old Dr. Josephson. But he also endorses telepathy and telekinesis and perhaps even UFO’s IIRC. And I doubt that he is much a fan of Rossi’s any more — I hope someone asks him.

    • CimPy

      June 19, 2016 at 11:16 pm

      Where do you think it comes the justification for all the attention that governments, prominent scientific institutions, and research centers of big companies gave throughout the last years to the wild claims of a controversial philosopher?

      Well, it sounded more like some people inside some big company or having a government position or a role (not necessarily very high) in some university made some bargain with crappy stuff.

      Seems as if they got some money for this, and the real fault of their leaders or of institution has mainly been to have close their eyes – in some cases, leaders even tried to surf the river, popularity being the most valuable money they thought they could gain.

      On the other side, it is really difficult to see real governments (or any real “strong power”) interest in cold fusion out of some few people grabbing spaces, instrumentation or funding to catch soap bubbles around for years.

      But this is more like deviating funds in private hands than misleading the whole world about energy matters – too few investments, too ridiculous publicity (even a soap opera may get more and better of both, and I am sure none would consider it a job made by a secret agency to deviate whole world way of thinking about parents, sons, daughters and cousins…)

    • Pweet

      June 20, 2016 at 3:48 am

      This sort of logic explains why when buying a used car, some people can be sold a complete rustbucket. They are distracted by the few shiny spots of paint which have been polished up to look like new, while the rest of the car is a tapestry of gaping rust holes.

      There were serious holes in all of Rossi’s demonstrations and it includes the supposed endorsements by the academic world. They were mostly conditional with the proviso of it being what it appeared to be. But consistent with all magicians tricks, it was never what it appeared to be, and it still isn’t.
      Does anyone really believe Mr Rossi has now come up with yet another world-shattering new technology? ecat, hot-cat, Quack-ecat X? Three in five years?
      The man is apparently on the verge of dwarfing Albert Einstien, and yet in spite of all this brilliance, he cannot prove even one of them works. And it’s not like he needs to verify some obscure space-time link. All he needs to do is boil a barrel of water, but somehow that simple task eludes him. And yet people still believe him! The mind boggles!

      • Ascoli65

        June 20, 2016 at 5:37 pm

        @ Pweet,
        There were serious holes in all of Rossi’s demonstrations and it includes the supposed endorsements by the academic world.
        These endorsements are not supposed, as the Elforsk declarations cited above clearly demonstrate.

        But consistent with all magicians tricks, it was never what it appeared to be, and it still isn’t. Does anyone really believe Mr Rossi has now come up with yet another world-shattering new technology?
        You are too much focused on Rossi. In this saga, the only known magic trick fan is here:

  12. Mary Yugo

    June 19, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    Meanwhile, Rossi and his friends work for the maintainmant (a new Rossi-ism) of our humor!

    Albert Ellul
    June 18, 2016 at 10:04 AM
    Dear Ing. Rossi,

    It is now abundantly clear that your great invention works and it works with a very high COP which is above 100. This is a game changer. This is comparable to the transistor in the electronics technology. The transistor transformed electronics from a cumbersome and expensive method to make electrons do what you would want them to do by means of valves, to a one driven by microscopic devices that can process data in trillions of operations per second.

    Your Quark X is the transistor of all types of power generation.

    My question, based on the way that the transistor evolved during the years, is that the electronic manufacturers did not wait for the solid-state transistor invention to be developed into a unit comprising of million transistors residing in a microchip the size of my fingernail, but commenced building electronic circuits out of single transistors advancing the technology with each year that passed.

    I suppose that the Quark X will experience the same type of evolution and that you will not wait to design a 1000 MW power station as your first production output, but maybe a simple and humble modular unit of say 10kW for our delectation and use.

    Can you propose a year when we may see this happening?
    Is this far away?

    Andrea Rossi
    June 18, 2016 at 4:31 PM
    Albert Ellul:
    For now we are working on our 100 W module, when the verifications on it will have been made, we’ll see. But I propend for the maintainment of a 100 W module assembly concept.
    Warm Regards,

    So after more than 5 years, there is no production or even an available prototype of the original ecat, the megawatt plant, or anything else. And people (well, a few weird people anyway) still think any type of ecat actually exists in a working configuration? WOW! Hilarious. It’s such a classic and obvious version of the free energy scam, even dunces like Acland and Sifferkol should see through it by now!

  13. Mary Yugo

    June 19, 2016 at 5:16 pm

    Which brings up something I wondered about. Rossi claimed to have sold his original megawatt plant to the US Military and then they ordered 12 more (as per Rossi’s JONP ravings). Isn’t it strange that Rossi didn’t cite those sold and presumably successful items in his suit? In real life, instead of Rossigasms and Rossifiction, I’d expect someone from the Army to testify that yes, they bought the megawatt plant, they ordered 12 more and of course they work. But strange. Rossi doesn’t mention any other client at all in his suit.

    But it’s early. Maybe Rossi has not brought his big Army guns into play in the lawsuit just yet! ROTFWL! I can hardly wait to see the mustachioed illustrious “NATO colonel,” Domenico Fioravanti, again!

    See for example, for a memory jogger:

    from 2011!

    “UPDATE: Apparently it’s more than just a second plant that has been sold. Rossi was asked at the JONP whether he had sold 2 or more plants, and he answered, “more.” Also, asked if he could say who any of the other customers were he declined to do so saying, “I want not our Customers assailed by the puppetts moved by their puppetteers. Let the plant go to work, then they will reveal themselves automatically. Probably you did not understand that there is a war against us.”

  14. stefan

    June 19, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    Somehow I found those comments very funny at

    > Nicholas Chandler-Yates • 10 hours ago
    > Please stop with the BLP stories, they destroy any > credibility this site has.
    > 1 • Reply•Share ›
    > Avatar
    > John Schut Nicholas Chandler-Yates • an hour ago
    > I totaly agree with you!


    • Pweet

      June 20, 2016 at 3:54 am

      Yeah! Stick to the real technology that we all know works!
      Oh, do I need to add 😉

      • Bronco bet

        June 21, 2016 at 1:40 am

        Go get them Pweet!

  15. Linkin Rowed

    June 19, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    Oh, man, now this is hilarious:

    Andy Kumar
    June 18, 2016 at 12:18 PM
    Hi Andrea,
    You are making strong researches so late in life. It is hard to imagine what you would have done if you had started early in life. Both Newton and Einstein published four land mark papers in one year (Annus Mirabilis), when they were 26.

    When do you think your Annus Mirabilis will come. Remember that it should be much easier for you to make discoveries when you don’t need to apply for funds, go thru peer review, do indipendent tests. You have found a good model with secret customers, secret tests and secret theories. It sure speeds things up.

    Andrea Rossi
    June 18, 2016 at 4:28 PM
    Andy Kumar:
    Thank you!
    Warm Regards,

    I would like to award Andy Kumar an honorary Ph.D. in satire. Thank you, Dr. Kumar! Absolutely priceless! Indipendent!

  16. Ascoli65

    June 19, 2016 at 11:25 pm

    @ Mary Yugo, you wrote:
    Ascoli, I’m sorry but I never understand what you are getting at with all that obscure wording. Can someone translate for me? Restate?
    If the problems come from my English, I apologize for that. If they come from the content, I’d invite you to pay more attention to the exact wording. Anyway, I’ll try to restate it for you.

    Dozens of physicists…
    I didn’t write “dozens”, but “a dozen”.
    In Bologna, the January 2011 demo was witnessed by Focardi, Levi, the 2 chiefs of the Physics Department of the University and of the local INFN section, other 4 professors which were already collaborating with Levi in view of forming a research group for studying how to improve the Ecat performances, and finally Prof. Stremmenos. In total, 9 academic physicists.
    In Sweden, there were Kullander, Essen and at least 3 more professors from Uppsala.
    A grand total of 14 academicians, at least.

    … endorsed the ecat and still do?
    Yes, all of them endorsed, in one way or another, the claim that there was been huge excess heat in the Ecat tests. In science an endorsement is forever, unless you retract it, nobody of them has retracted anything. Two of them can’t do it anymore, but the others are still on time, and their institute and fellows should encourage them in providing the public with a better assessment of what they have measured, saw, or guessed, for the sake of Science and their Universities.

    And to their credit, Kullander and Essen never said the ecat worked– they only said they saw something they did not understand and could not account for with “conventional” physics and chemistry.
    Oh, yes, of course. None of these academicians did say that the “Ecat worked”, just declared that they saw a table top device producing many kW in excess with respect to the input power! All of them were also very puzzled about the underlying phenomenon, but some were optimistic that a new physics could have explained it.

    As for the other “prominent” physicists, they aren’t all physicists, …
    Yes, they all are physicist, teaching, or having teached, in a university physics department.

    … they are not prominent but rather very obscure and lacking in accomplishments, …
    I wrote “SOME prominent members of THOSE scientific institutions”. As for Bologna, there where an emeritus professor which has been the dean of the physics department, the actual dean of the department and the then chief of the local section of the INFN. As for the Swedish, the “dozen” includes the chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ Energy Committee and the chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society.

    … and they have been extremely quiet ever since their original two blunders of tests. Hear anything from them lately?
    As already said, in science an endorsement is valid until it is explicitly retracted. The most solid argument you can find in the Ecat propaganda is that all the researchers and professors that saw up close the Ecat confirmed that it was able to produce a lot of excess heat, and that none of them changed his mind.

    Shouldn’t they feature prominently in Rossi’s lawsuit? Yet strange, they have made no statements.
    I don’t care of the lawsuit. It doesn’t involve any scientific issue. Apparently, it’s a private affair, a quite weird affair. But if in the future, Rossi will need to justify in a court the excess heat from its devices, I’m quite sure he will mention the results proclaimed by the academicians.

    And then there is the kindly old Dr. Josephson. But he also endorses telepathy and telekinesis and perhaps even UFO’s IIRC. And I doubt that he is much a fan of Rossi’s any more.
    I don’t know if in this very instant he is still a Rossi’s fan, but we can be sure that up two months ago he found some good reason to still believe that original claims could have been real (1):
    “Note added April 17th. 2016: it appears that Rossi’s device failed to perform as claimed in its recent year-long test. This does not show conclusively that the original claims were false, as there are documented instances of heat production in a test system ceasing when a new supply of material was used with the same system.”

    Anyway the most meaningful endorsement from that prestigious University of Cambridge didn’t come from a physicist, but from Huw Price (2), the Bertrand Russell Professor of Philosophy at Trinity College. A good example of the way the words are able to manipulate the reality, if someone provides just a little pseudoscientific pretext to do so.


    • Pweet

      June 20, 2016 at 4:10 am

      Ascoli65, they all “witnessed” a Rossi controlled demonstration. They all verified the results using Rossi supplied data and parameters. IF those data and parameters were true and correct then yes, it would have indicated something great was happening, but it must be blatantly obvious by now, the fact that none of it has been or can be verified, that it was all just a big confidence trick. A giant con.
      Many of the witnesses stated various provisos in their endorsements, but those provisos are never repeated. The endorsements are always quoted without any provisos to make them look like unconditional endorsements. They were not. They were conditional on the demonstration actually being what it was presented as being. They were not. All of Mr Rossi’s demonstrations are purposely framed to look like something they are not. If they were not conducted in the way they were, there would be no excess energy. That’s why Mr Rossi has to be there. He is, in effect, the long spoken of but never revealed “secret sauce”, which is why it never appeared in any of the patent applications.

      • Ascoli65

        June 20, 2016 at 4:58 pm

        @ Pweet, you wrote:
        They all verified the results using Rossi supplied data and parameters.

        No, sorry, things haven’t gone this way. This is what is said over and over in the comments of those who want to attribute all the responsibilities to Rossi.

        Examining more closely the available original documents about the demo of January 14, 2011 (the one that triggered all the interest on the web), instead of secondhand opinions, you will realize that the system has been at disposition of the academicians during the last 2 weeks before the event. Rossi said he was abroad and came back to Italy only on the eve of the demo. So it’s very unlikely that he is the source of the wrong data used to miscalculate the energy output in the Levi report. And anyway, the academicians did assume publicly the responsibilities to check very carefully all the data and parameter of the demo. As a consequence we can reasonably deduce that Rossi had no need to deceive any academic, nor during the first demo, nor in the subsequent tests, including the 2 TPRs.

        Many of the witnesses stated various provisos in their endorsements, but those provisos are never repeated.

        If you are referring to the claimed excess heat, this is also wrong. Almost all the statements on the Ecat performances made by the academicians follow a three step scheme:

        1- they state with no doubts that the device they saw, touched, or measured did produce for sure many kW of heat in excess with respect to the recognizable input power, but then

        2- they make a lot of provisos about the origin of this excess heat, and they complain about the lack of a theory capable of explaining the above heat, and finally

        3- they conclude that an appropriate research program is necessary.

        You find the prototype of these declarations in the conclusion of the first Levi report:
        “The amount of power and energy produced during both tests is indeed impressive and, together with the self sustaining state reached during [Test 1] could be an indication that the system is working as a new type of energy source of unknown origin. The short duration of the tests suggests that is important to make more long and complete experiments. An appropriate scientific program will be draw.” (My emphases in bold)

        Do you see? No doubts on the energy results, the only provisos are about its origin. There have been dozens (plural) of written or oral declarations which follow the same scheme. None of them has any proviso on the EXCESS HEAT!

    • Mary Yugo

      June 20, 2016 at 7:36 pm

      Hi Ascoli,

      Thank you very much for the responsive and clear answer. I now agree with you on most of your issues. Sorry. I forgot some important details on the depth of involvement of other people. I was wrong and you were right.

      Still, I am not sure what issue you were addressing and what message you wanted us all to get. Can you say a bit more about that with equal clarity, please? Thanks.

      • Ascoli65

        June 20, 2016 at 11:51 pm

        @ Mary Yugo,
        Still, I am not sure what issue you were addressing and what message you wanted us all to get. Can you say a bit more about that with equal clarity, please?

        Would love to do, but I’m afraid of not being able to express myself much better than I did in the comments that I already addressed to you on L-F (1), and here above (2). But I try the same.

        Basically I believe that to understand the Ecat story, we should get rid of the obsession with Rossi and his Rossi says, that for years have monopolized the attention of his critics. This prevented to look with the necessary attention to what was happening around him, and to adequately assess the so-called metadata, those facts presented in support of the Ecat reality.

        It’s clear, as stated by the mainstream science, that the CF/LENR is not possible and, therefore, that the Ecat does not work. There is no need to waste many words on this, just consult Wikipedia. Instead, what should be worth to better understand are the reasons of the powerful supports that this absurd initiative has received from various sectors along the years.

        As for the scientific support, these reasons may reside in a nefarious tendency of giving, in some cases, some credit even to more absurd ideas, if they bring some benefits to that area. In a sector such as energy, on which depends the future of mankind, this attitude is a harbinger of terrible disasters and must be denounced. For as has appeared so far, the Ecat story might just be one of the most striking and, if so, easily demonstrable cases, where this tendency has manifested itself. If so, it is important to realize in time, as this would trigger a serious reflection on other ongoing energy initiatives, apparently much more founded, but that might reveal itself, alas too late, a pipe dream no more and no less than the Ecat.


  17. Linkin Rowed

    June 20, 2016 at 4:10 am

    That dope Rossi gets punked by Dr. Kumar once again!

    Andy Kumar
    June 19, 2016 at 10:24 AM
    Hi Andrea,
    Quark-X has 100x power density and COP than your old e-cat.

    1. Can we infer from this that you have finally discovered the missing Quark-Y particle.
    2. Is the discovery preliminar or confirmed.
    3. Does your partner care about theoretical advances or only commercial products.
    4. If, nay when, you win judgment against IH, will you donate some of the money to cancer kids.

    Andrea Rossi
    June 19, 2016 at 1:03 PM
    Andy Kumar:
    1. the results are under investigation and verification by us
    2. preliminar and not yet confirmed
    3. mainly commercial products, provided the safety certification is viable
    4. yes, this is a vow I made also related to the activity of Leonardo Corporation. This is part of our mission.
    Warm Regards,

    He, he, he!!!

    Thanks for the “preliminar,” it made my day.

    • Pweet

      June 20, 2016 at 4:18 am

      Gee, I wonder how much of the 11 million dollars IH paid went to sick children with cancer? He said it was going to be half of the money he made. He was going to personally select them too.
      I hope he didn’t spend too much time on that because there’s work to be done inventing next year’s incredibly brilliant version of the ecat.
      Keep in mind he developed the ecat X Quack at the same time he was screening sick children for cancer. Golly golly gosh! What a guy!

    • Andy Kumar

      June 21, 2016 at 1:25 am

      Rossi always says yes/no/maybe to any questions you ask him. He knows I am skeptical. He just plays along. Couple of years ago, we exchanged a few emails when I asked him some pointed questions.

      I was hoping that today’s headline on ECW would be “Rossi Discovers New Particle.”

  18. Linkin Rowed

    June 21, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    It seems that Rossi’s imaginary Quarkies (aka the Magic Toothpicks) couldn’t even be used for street lighting or interior lighting because of all that nasty “blue light” (as if):

    Rossi isn’t even a good bullshitter. His crap wouldn’t even make decent science fiction because there’s no real science and way too much fiction.

  19. Mary Yugo

    June 22, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    Meanwhile, LENR Forum is being wildly censored by Alan Smith, self-appointed guardian of the Rossi faith:

    • The Big Con

      June 23, 2016 at 2:18 am

      Jed is always changing his story. He’s full of BS.

  20. Linkin Rowed

    June 22, 2016 at 8:56 pm


    This “LENR Forum” doesn’t sound like a good place for me; I would think that it would be a lot like “Witchcraft Forum.”

    This “Alan Smith” character is a real piece of work, though. For a guy who wants to appear neutral (“I take no sides MY.”), this goofball provides a direct link to Rossi’s insane blog. Now how much more “neutral” can you get??

    • Jami

      June 23, 2016 at 5:56 am

      The further Rossi’s story progresses the more moronic his average fan becomes. Natural selection. The fact that even people like ShaneD and AlainCo have finally woken up leaves us with the likes of “Alan Smith” and “Engineer48”. An ever more concentrated sediment of stupidity. When only Axil is left, we’ll have reached maximum purity.

      • Mary Yugo

        June 23, 2016 at 5:27 pm

        Engineer48 says he is advising investors! Sad if true.

      • Frank

        June 23, 2016 at 6:10 pm

        When now the most reasonable comments on ecw are from guys like georgehants, then you get an idea about what’s the remains on ecw these days.
        Georgehants replies to Engineer48 (Is he another incarnation of our GrennWin?):

        georgehants on ecw, a day ago
        It would be very helpful if certain people on page stopped using the Fact that they have customers ready to purchase devices from Mr. Rossi, as if that is some kind of proof that Mr. Rossi is genuine.
        Only when these customers receive a working unit is it of any relevance.
        A million people ordered the original e-cat nearly five years ago and not one of them have received even a unit like that delivered by the Orbo people.
        One does not need to look for customers for a working device of the kind described by Mr. Rossi, at the correct price the whole World contains 7 billion willing customers.

        • Mary Yugo

          June 23, 2016 at 6:54 pm


          PS: the nick georgehants has been elsewhere so I don’t think it’s greenwin who is probably quietly masturbating to some new free energy scheme over in a dark corner.

          • Frank

            June 23, 2016 at 7:26 pm

            For sure, georgehants is unique.
            Sorry, you misunderstood me. – I suspected that Engineer48 and GreenWin might be one and the same.
            Maybe he changed his nickname because the GreenWin character is already too much worn out – even on ecw.

          • Andy Kumar

            June 23, 2016 at 8:46 pm

            I am fairly certain that Engineer48 is Greenwin. He had obsession with engineers, and is enjoying playing engineer.

            It is funny that GW and the ECW folks think a 2D schematic drawn in MS Office qualifies as any kind of engineering design. Rossi and Defkalion had 3D models years ago. I posted this yesterday on ECW, Frank did not allow it. I have seen him protect the fragile egos of his idiotic posters several times.

  21. Pweet

    June 23, 2016 at 7:57 am

    “When only Axil is left, we’ll have reached maximum purity.”
    Haw haw haawww,..that’s so funny.
    Now to mop up the coffee sputter,.. drat!

    • JNewman

      June 23, 2016 at 7:02 pm

      You always had to be stupidly gullible to believe any of Rossi’s nonsense. At this point, you have to be mentally ill to buy any of it.

    • Andy Kumar

      June 23, 2016 at 8:49 pm

      “When only Axil is left, we’ll have reached maximum purity.”

      It is like Mary Curie isolating Radium from Pitchblende.

  22. Mary Yugo

    June 23, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    From LENR Forum:

    User Hank Mills deleted on his own behalf
    11 hours ago±0
    Just for your information:

    Hank Mills asked me to delete all his posts and his account.

    I complied this request.

    Hank must have been so proud of his work about Rossi. He’s at least as smart as, say, Sterling Allen.

  23. spacegoat

    June 23, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    Jami said:

    “The fact that even people like AlainCo have finally woken up …”

    I’m not keeping up at all, but this information was jaw dropping. If AlainCo has seen the light, time to mothball the shop Admin. Jousting with the remaining LENR Jehova’s Witnesses will diminish your achievement with this site, the high points being General Zaroff and hate spitting uncouth females. It seems you wish to write a book when the legal chapter is over and I wish you well with that. You’ll get a few buyers from your site here. At least 10. 🙂

    I never imagined AlainCo would become Blogger Clown agnostic/atheist. Shocking. (Shakes head)

  24. JohnP

    June 24, 2016 at 6:18 am

    When was the last time Brian Josephson said something positive about cold fusion?

    The Ecat’s present fans remind me of that wonderful BBC’s “Sherlock” line:

    “Anderson, don’t talk out loud, you lower the IQ of the whole street.”

  25. Jami

    June 24, 2016 at 12:40 pm

    … and another Parkhomov “experiment” where a mere glance at the data confirms that whatever he’s doing there – it doesn’t involve a reaction of any kind. COP is supposed to be 1.1 – 1.3 so he’s definitely getting better at not totally screwing up (or, more likely, it happened by chance). Best comment on dummyworld when somebody pointed out that this is worse than his previous heureka moments: “He is a scientist looking for the limitations of the phenomena. As usual Parkhomov performs intelligent experiments.”

    Oh well… LENR research

    • Frank

      June 24, 2016 at 6:16 pm

      Isn’t that great news for IH?
      Now they only need to pay Parkhomov (and his granddaughter) flight tickets from Moscow to Raleigh, and good old Parky can show them how easy it is to get excess heat from a “glowstick”. – Problem solved.
      (Of course, Parkhomov need also to bring his calorimeter and instruments – so that the whole thing “shows excess heat”…)

      • Mary Yugo

        June 24, 2016 at 9:29 pm

        Parky needs to bring his wife’s crockpot and his living room couch. Change anything and you are risking the results.

        • JohnP

          June 27, 2016 at 4:29 am

          And IH has to build a replica of Pokemon’s apartment in Moscow, where in winter the Relative Humidity is 20%!

      • Pweet

        June 25, 2016 at 4:35 am

        We just put six bulls into the cow paddock for next years drop. I saw lots of evidence of excess heat. Four in the first ten minutes.

        • JKW

          June 25, 2016 at 10:17 am

          Now get 11 mil out of it.

          • Pweet

            June 25, 2016 at 3:42 pm

            Probably not possible. Mostly we just get a COP of one, and sometimes two. Never any higher.

  26. Linkin Rowed

    June 24, 2016 at 4:37 pm

    Even more laughs from E-Dummy World today: Rossi is claiming that IH has offered to “sell back” the E-Cat IP AND the bogus 1 MW E-Cat to Rossi:

    If IH actually made that offer, and that is a mighty big if, it’s probably just a formality before they file a countersuit against Rossi and Leonardo.

    The funniest part by far is that the delusional douchebag and formerly rabid Rossifan AlainCo now wants to see Rossi “hanged by his balls” (he, he, he, that does sound painful):

    AlainCo Gerard McEk • 7 hours ago

    Rossi have [sic] made nothing.

    He claimed to have revoked the license, but contract is still valid since IH paid the 11.5Mn$.
    He have [sic] to deliver the technology to IH, and IH say he delivered nothing.
    The court battle will only be around that IP transfer and the 11.5Mn$.
    the 1MW test is not so important… IH would have paid even if the 1MW would have paid even if the 1MW test would have failed miserably, provided thay [sic] have interesting results in their lab.

    Visibly IH just want to close the dead end quickly, avoiding to damage other LENr researshers [sic] as it is happening.

    This affair have [sic] probably damaged sincere LENR efforts near me, and I’m in bad mood.
    Someone have to be hanged by his balls, court will decide who.
    I’m not the kind to lynch without a trial, even when evidences are clear.

    Now who fed AlainCo that reality sandwich? I do feel sorry for him considering how much of his life he has wasted on Rossi and the E-Cat fiasco. What a dope. His credibility on any subject is now zero.

    The other comments on this post are also hilarious, especially the one from “Gunnar Lindberg,” the faux Swedish Rossi sock puppet:

    Gunnar Lindberg • 3 hours ago
    Guest: “The offer was not genuine and it only included one plant and the right to sell to half the world.”

    Well, that alone would be worth more than General Motors. Something must be very wrong, I wonder what…

    By the way, who are you? I like to know who I am talking to.

    Here we have Rossi masquerading as “Gunnar Lindberg” and asking some “Guest” to reveal his identity. Wow. Clearly, Rossi’s descent into madness is accelerating.

    • Tony2

      June 24, 2016 at 6:18 pm


      Here it comes. Il Douche is dropping the suit and he managed to get everybody gagged. No way is IH selling anything back. This is just the cover story for the dropping of the suit. He can’t possibly let anybody know he blinked. The sheer stupidity of the story says it all.


      • Linkin Rowed

        June 25, 2016 at 3:10 am


        I think Rossi got punked again. There is no way in hell that IH would make such an offer at this time. Like the old Carole King song says, “It’s Too Late.”

        IH will probably file a countersuit and report Rossi’s $11.5M fraud to the Florida authorities. Then stand by for even more hilarity.

        • Tony2

          June 25, 2016 at 4:27 pm


          That would be the ultimate in fun if IH strikes back hard. If they do, I could see Il Douche just up and taking off. If he has to actually show up in court, he’s cooked.


  27. JKW

    June 25, 2016 at 10:09 am

    Paul, thanks for hosting this site. I will be missing it when it eventually goes down.
    Best luck in your endeavors.

    • Frank

      June 25, 2016 at 1:17 pm

      … and not to forget, also Thanks to “quax” (D. H.), who provided a shelter during the time ecn had a temporary blackout.

    • Mary Yugo

      June 25, 2016 at 4:28 pm

      We really need a replacement. Brillouin will probably be next or who knows who will take over the scamming department of the LENR franchise when Rossi is gone?

      Meanwhile, there is always the Moletrap which was started when Steorn erased their forum. You need to join to participate but that is easy and you can use any screen name you want. Moderation is extremely minimal and there is a large Rossi string already there. You can use the “F” word all you like (fraud).

      Is DH’s site still around? That would work too, IIRC.

      DH: henning dekant, IIRC

      • Pweet

        June 26, 2016 at 9:49 am

        Yes, but it was the Rossiblog which made this one so much fun. Without the Master of Ceremonies dropping little hints and clues to follow up on the contradictions it would be like playing “Dungeons and Dragons” with the computer switched off.
        It wouldn’t really be the same, would it?

        Anyway, I think there’s still years left in the Rossi saga. You just wait until he finds a new all powerful cashed up partner. He’ll be back at the helm of his battleship plying the high seas with his proclamations of amazing new devices that “you wouldn’t believe what I have seen” reports to follow.
        They are right. I wouldn’t. I didn’t then and I still don’t,.. and I won’t next time either, so they got that right at least.
        But hey, it’s all a ripping good yarn.
        I can’t wait for the tv series.
        I reckon Danny DeVito to play Rossi, yes? He has that same commanding presence. ??? really? well yes,.. er no,.. er,.
        And Mr Bean to play Greenwin, he’s got that same seriously knowledgeable demeanor, and,.. oohh the excitement of it all. Be still my beating heart!

  28. Frank

    June 26, 2016 at 11:02 pm

    About progress in LENR:

    The long-time ecn residents surely remember Tyler v. H. and his lenr-proof presentation (which was later acquired for an undisclosed amount by lenr-invest).

    I took a look how Tylers confidence/outlook for “LENR to be scaled and controlled to commercial power generating level” changed over the years.

    About 4 years ago he had in his slides:
    33% by end of 2013
    66% by end of 2015
    95% by end of 2017

    … and this timeline is probably from about 2 years ago:
    [left out end of 2013]
    25% by end of 2015
    66% by end of 2016
    95% by end of 2017

    … and here the latest update from May this year:
    Not fully clear [LENR scaled up…]
    [left out end of 2013 and 2015]
    10% by end of 2016
    20% by end of 2017
    30% by end of 2018

    Well, if I would have invested in LENR based on Tyler’s confidence level of 2012, I would be a bit disappointed now about the changed confidence.

  29. Mary Yugo

    June 27, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    What is most distressing about the Defkalion and Rossi stories is that some people learned little or nothing. Jed Rothwell is one of the most disappointing. He will probably repeat the mistake again and again with other claimant crooks and blogger clowns. LENR Forum is less censored than E-CW and thus has a few skeptical people but overall, it’s not that much different.

    • JNewman

      June 27, 2016 at 5:53 pm

      I checked out LENR Forum out of curiosity. While there is some give and take going on, the basic counterargument by believers remains some combination of (1) skeptics are evil people spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt and (2) I have secret information that you don’t. Of course, the latter was generally Rothwell’s rationale for supporting Rossi and now, somehow, all that inside dope is gone. The power of wishful thinking is immense.

    • The Big Con

      June 28, 2016 at 5:46 am

      Hi Mary, what’s the goss these days?

  30. JNewman

    June 28, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    I notice on the LENR Forum that much of the discussion centers around the possible release of the ERV report and how somehow that event would “settle” the issue of the reality of the ecat or lack thereof. Given the source of the report, how can anyone possibly believe that? Certainly the fact that the report is by a long-time Rossi stooge means that a positive result would assuredly be discredited. But the fact that the report is by a long-time Rossi stooge pretty much negates its value whether positive or negative.

    • Linkin Rowed

      June 28, 2016 at 2:49 pm

      Hey, lighten up, man! This guy Penon has a “Ph.D.” in Nuclear Engineering from Rossi fantasyland. And that lunatic Rossi simply refuses to stop telling this blatant lie. Here is yesterday’s version:

      Tony De Rota
      June 27, 2016 at 12:11 PM
      Dear Andrea Rossi:
      I have found this information, making an investigation of the ERV that Leonardo Corporation and IH have chosen to make the test of one year on the E-Cat.
      Can you confirm if this information is correct?
      Name: Fabio Penon
      Age: 56
      Education: Doctorate in nuclear engineering in the University of Bologna when he was 23 years old with the following rating: 110/110 Summa cum Laude
      Professional experience: as a nuclear engineer worked in a nuclear power plant; eventually became expert in validation and certification of plants
      Deonthological record: his career is flawless and never has been criticized for errors or mistakes or improper conduct on course of his professional tasks
      1- Can you confirm this record is correct, beyond any possible doubt ?
      2- The reports he made after the first, the second and the third quarter of the test year reported the same results of the last report ?
      3- Did IH receive all these report after , respectively, 3, 6, 9 months from the start up of the test ?
      4- if yes, did IH send you any complaint related to the methodology of the measurements made by the ERN, Ing. Fabio Penon ?
      Thank you if you can answer.

      Andrea Rossi
      June 27, 2016 at 2:14 PM
      Tony De Rota:
      1- yes, your information is correct
      2- substantially yes
      3- yes, as well as Leonardo Corporation: the ERV has sent the quarterly reports to IH and Leonardo Corporation after every quarter, along with the invoices for his quarterly work. The invoices have been paid from Industrial Heat and from leonardo Corporation.
      4- No, Industrial Heat never sent us in any form complaints about the first three quarterly reports, or about the related measurements made by the ERV. On the contrary, Mr Tom Darden has made public conferences confirming that the test on course was obtaining good results and directed the visits of his investors to the 1 MW plant in operation during the test, expressing very positive opinion about the test on course. Consequently he obtained huge investments from his investors.
      Warm Regards,

      Penon has a “Laurea” degree, same as Rossi. No Italian university even awarded a “Ph.D.” before 1985, so this is all bullshit, including Rossi’s “Ph.D.”. I mean really, who gets a “Ph.D.” at age 23??

      I would also bet a lot of Ben Franklins that “Tony De Rota” is that douchebag Rossi.

  31. Mary Yugo

    June 28, 2016 at 8:38 pm

    Shane is pretty funny. Because of posts like this, I suspect his ladder is missing some rungs:

    I get the impression that when Rossi came to IH with his Florida GPT plans, they (IH) knew that their “neglecting” to have everyone on their side sign the new agreement would legally unbound them from the ERV’s report. It put them in the drivers seat thereafter, as they could use their own discretion, and not the ERV’s, to decide the validity of the test.

    It had to be a purposeful decision on their part. IH types are pretty seasoned in these things, and are almost always “lawyered up”, getting advice every step of the way. They just do not miss things like this.

    I would also think it was glaringly obvious to Rossi, or his lawyer (if he had one at that point), that not every block was signed, possibly invalidating the agreement, yet continued on with the test anyways. Would anyone here proceed contracturally with an agreement if every signature block is not signed? I would not, but Rossi did so. I have said for some time, that if he has something, he is sure an incompetent business man.

    Or perhaps he understood the potential contractual ramifications of the missing signatures, yet, after realizing the GPT provision had already expired due time restraints, realized he was in a weak bargaining position, and would have to continue on with the test on a hope and prayer IH would abide by the original terms. And if not, somehow get a court to make them do so?

    Which is now the case as it is clear from Rossi’s response to the initial MTD, that he is trying to legally bind IH back to the ERV report, because they agreed and participated with the 1 year test. Will that suffice to get this case where Rossi wants it…in front of a jury? In IH’s response today, they addressed that by saying something to the effect that: “while a contract may be considered *harsh*, or one sided, case law says tough luck Rossi…next time negotiate a more favorable one for yourself”.

    Pretty fun stuff!

    On LENR Forum.

    So Shane, what is it about Rossi=scammer and IH=mark is it that you don’t get? Yet?! Why the need for all the silly complexity? It’s just a simple straightforward scam and IH got caught by it. Now they are trying to make sure it doesn’t get worse. It’s really that simple. It doesn’t matter in the least who did what when. The contract was obtained by fraud therefore it is invalid. That’s all.

    • Tony2

      June 28, 2016 at 10:17 pm


      And it wasn’t that long ago that Shane admitted that AR was a farce! But, like a bad girlfriend who is terrific in the sack, Shane crawls back to Il Douche for one more roll in the (mainly N162 but with some Li and H2) LENR ashes.



      • JKW

        June 29, 2016 at 9:56 pm

        Shane’s admission is probably the reason he doesn’t post here any more. He is drawn to Rossi and can’t help himself, but he’s ashamed of it, knowing in the back of his mind that ecat is just a pile of bull manure giving off the heat of decomposition.

  32. Linkin Rowed

    June 28, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    Jones Day has replied to Rossi’s Silver Law attorneys on the motion to dismiss (

    Here is my favorite part (from p. 10):

    Plaintiffs are careful in the Complaint to avoid addressing the substance of the 9,115,913 (’913) Patent because it is simply a patent for a heat transfer system, not for a method of creating a “low energy nuclear reaction resulting in an exothermic release of energy.” Compl. ¶ 1 (describing the E-Cat). That alleged “reaction” is covered instead by a separate Rossi patent application that is currently pending but subject to a non-final rejection from the Patent Office. See Method and Apparatus for Carrying Out Nickel and Hydrogen Exothermal Reaction, Application No. 12/736,193, available with file history at

    He, he, he! Rossi’s entire case against IH is predicated on his bogus “fluid heater” patent that is completely worthless. Better yet, Rossi never would have been granted this patent if IH’s lawyers hadn’t helped him game the system. Now how could IH, et al. “steal his IP” and “defraud” Rossi when his IP is worthless?

    From what I recall, the USPTO’s January 2016 rejection was rather “harsh.” Maybe that’s when IH finally figured out that they were being scammed by a con man.

    And more laughs from Rossi fantasyland:

    June 28, 2016 at 1:52 PM
    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
    I think it is useful to inform your readers of this article of today on Sifferkoll:

    My comment: IH again tries to escape from the litigation. If 1/100 of the slanders and the lies deposited in the blogs by the mad dogs of IH were true, IH would be eager to go in court…the fact that they are trying to delay and to suffocate the litigation makes clear that they are afraid of it.
    Evidently they know that you have evidence that will defeat them in Court, where what counts is not the chattering of the mad dogs, but the real evidence.
    In fact it appears that you are fighting to go in Court, they are trying to run away.

    And good old “Godspeed” David is a real person and definitely not another Rossi sock puppet. For sure. Just wait until IH files its countersuit, then we’ll see what “David” has to say.

  33. Linkin Rowed

    June 30, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    Astounding news from Rossi fantasyland on the Quarkie:

    Oystein Lande
    June 29, 2016 at 3:39 PM
    Dear mr Rossi,

    The test report said the ecat-X is a 1mm ‘cylinder’

    1. Do you mean it is hollow ?
    2. Or is it a rod and all of it an active reactive material?

    Andrea Rossi
    June 29, 2016 at 4:16 PM
    Oystein Lande:
    1- yes
    2- no
    Warm Regards,

    Yes, boys and girls, the Quarkie is a hollow tube! Thus, we may need a new name other than the Magic Toothpick. I would suggest the “Magic Macaroni” or the “Magic Mini-straw.” Any ideas? In person, the Quarkie would look like a standard #20 hypodermic needle, which may also explain a lot.

    The Quarkie is supposed to produce “100 watts” continuously for a year, presumably by “proton-lithium-7 fusion,” with no emission of ionizing radiation and no residual radioactivity! Is there anything that the Rossifans won’t believe?

    Many of them (including that delusional lunatic Axil) actually believe in “biochemical transmutation:”

    Rossi’s true believers have to be among the most gullible and ignorant people on this planet. When Rossi fantasyland finally implodes, I’m sure they will all find another Messiah.

    • Mary Yugo

      June 30, 2016 at 5:18 pm

      I’d grab a new nick and “ax” Rossi how he controls the reaction in the toothpick/straw but he’d say “proprietary” so I already know the answer! No need to waste the Great Man’s time as he girds his loins for the epic battle with the nefarious forces of evil embodied in Industrial Heat!

    • Frank

      June 30, 2016 at 7:38 pm

      Well – basically there are sapphire tubes with 1 mm OD available…
      … and I am sure it is very easy to let the whole tube shine in bright blue color – just infiltrate the light from a blue color laser pointer into such a tube (e.g using a fiber optic cable).

      But – of course – I don’t have any idea how to transform an injection needle into a nuclear reactor.
      Obviously, although others try as well, Dt. Rossi is the only genius who knows how to build “LENR+” devices with astonishing performance data. And he introduces a completely different new model every another year – with even more amazing features… like inventing a LENR reactor is as easy as creating another kind of italian pasta (Spaghetti, macaroni, tagliatelle…)

      It’s hard to keep track about all models: (low temp) e-cat, fat-cat, hot-cat, tigers, quarks…

    • JohnP

      July 1, 2016 at 2:13 am

      “Rossi’s true believers have to be among the most gullible and ignorant people on this planet. When Rossi fantasyland finally implodes, I’m sure they will all find another Messiah.”

      Considering the IQ of the remaining Believers, my money is on Keshe.

  34. JKW

    June 30, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    “Any ideas?”
    Dumber and Dumberer comes my mind, although it’s not too creative… Rossi is definitely losing his marbles.

  35. Mary Yugo

    June 30, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    Looks as if Rossi’s justice vis a vis IH will be delayed a bit:

    THIS CAUSE is set for trial during the two-week trial period that begins on September
    18, 2017.

    … from new trial documents provided by Sifferkol.

    Shouldn’t this be moot by then? Because all our energy needs will be met by Quarkies by then?

    • Pweet

      July 2, 2016 at 4:35 pm

      “Shouldn’t this be moot by then? Because all our energy needs will be met by Quarkies by then?”
      Yes, precisely that. I said much the same when all this excrement first hit the fan. The purpose of the lawsuit is to keep the lid on the ERV report and to stop the release of any results of the 12-month 1MW test. That gives Rossi a year or more to bad mouth IH so as to make any later release by them immaterial, even though he constantly says he can’t comment on matters regarding the legal action, and at the same time talk up the amazing results of the QuackEcat test, and how great it is; even greater than all the previous cats (which never actually did anything).
      I think we always knew something like that was going to happen anyway, and here it is; the amazing new QuackEcat, AC, DC, white light, blue light, and boils your coffee all at the same time.
      And are those gravity waves I see in that mysterious surrounding haze? Well, maybe on the next model.
      The reports on the QuackEcats will stay more and more ‘promising’ and the massive production more imminent until the results of any legal case will be of little importance or relevance to his faithful followers. They will all be led mesmerized and blinded by the light of Rossi’s radiant magnificence, off to follow the next exciting performance in the Rossi circus. As expected, they will be so blinded by the light they will not see any of the glaring inconsistencies between facts and the fiction of Rossi’s announcements.
      As I’ve also said before, I don’t think the case will ever get to court, so Rossi is free to make whatever claims he likes to talk up his technology without ever actually having to prove or justify anything he says. IH will be happy just to be rid of him as cheaply as possible. They would have already given up on getting anything out of either Rossi or his technology so they would realize it’s pointless dragging his sorry ass through the courts when the prospect of getting any return for the effort and bad publicity is practically zero. It’s only worth doing that if the opponent has lots of money available to relieve them of, and they would probably know by now that Rossi would have very little in his own name.
      I notice that after the initial shock of the Rossi – IH partnership collapse, the effect has started to wear off amongst the faithful followers and they are now regrouping to a tight-knit group of diehard enthusiastic followers again. They are again brushing aside all the clear indications the whole thing is a sham and rationalizing the completely irrational with suppositions of extraordinary conspiracies by IH and others to defraud poor Mr Rossi of his IP, utilizing the most intricate and improbable mechanisms and associations. Anyone who speaks on behalf of IH’s point of view is now part of the IH conspiracy camp.
      Oh well, all very predictable really, so I’m not at all surprised.

  36. Linkin Rowed

    July 1, 2016 at 3:21 am


    Butt Sniffer got it wrong as usual, which is not surprising considering that he’s Swedish and has a very limited understanding of the US legal system. In fact, he has a very limited understanding of a lot of things. Butt Sniffer is your basic moron.

    This was the result of a scheduling conference that was set for 30 June. It just lays out the schedule for a trial in accordance with common legal practice (discovery phase, depositions, settlement conferences, etc.). The judge still has to rule on the motion to dismiss. From “Turbo3” at E-Dummy World:

    Turbo3 • 2 hours ago

    The Judge has not yet ruled on the Motion to Dismiss. If she dismisses all counts there will be no trial.

    This is just setting dates assuming the case moves forward. Says nothing about the Motion to Dismiss.

    So if the judge rules for Jones Day/IH on the motion to dismiss, then there would be no trial whatsoever, and the complaint would be dismissed. She could also dismiss the counts individually, which might severely limit the scope of the litigation.

    Another important aspect is that if the trial proceeds in accordance with the proposed schedule, how long do you think Rossi can afford to fight? Lawyer fees and consultant fees really start to increase drastically during discovery and depositions. Rossi’s pathetic Silver Law lawyers can’t afford to fight for very long, and neither can Rossi. It’s a losing proposition for them, whereas Jones Day/IH could fight and play “delay and deny” for years.

    • sifferkoll

      July 4, 2016 at 10:32 am

      In fact, he has a very limited understanding of a lot of things. Butt Sniffer is your basic moron.

      But Fred! Don’t you like me anymore…? Are you feeling neglected on my blog maybe? Should I talk more about you and your wifes tax funded alternative business endevours threatened by LENR. Should I talk more about your connections with IH/Pheonix/Murray? Your choice…

  37. tyy

    July 1, 2016 at 6:47 am

    Sniffer jumps into conclusions and from there to new conclusions, that all support his fantasies. He has created a complete neverland of his own.

    Umbelievable moron. He is supposed to be a consultant of some sort. I feel sorry for his customers if he has any.

    • Pweet

      July 2, 2016 at 4:48 pm

      I’ve posted a number of replies on that site, all very polite but all expressing views contrary to the prevailing theme there. All of my posts remain in permanent moderation. No wonder the ignorant remain ignorant when they are not open to even reading a conflicting opinion.
      “To him who has not, even that which he has will be taken away and given to another.”

      • JNewman

        July 2, 2016 at 6:07 pm

        Given that people like Rothwell and Alainco are spending their time trashing Rossi on LENR Forum, what remains of Rossi’s supporters are the mentally ill and others who have absolutely zero capacity for critical thinking. Arguing with the likes of such people is a guaranteed waste of time. Frank Acland could make a fortune selling their contact information to scam artists the world around.

        • sifferkoll

          July 4, 2016 at 10:19 am

          “mentally illl”? Looking in the mirror are we? 🙂

      • tyy

        July 2, 2016 at 9:04 pm

        Something not to miss:

        Sniffy’s self portrait.

        • Mary Yugo

          July 2, 2016 at 11:47 pm

          Lowest common denominator of Rossidiocy is Sniffly. Right down there with GreenWin and Frank Acland.

          • sifferkoll

            July 4, 2016 at 10:17 am

            You wish Maaaaary! It’s all about the numbers you know.

            Thanks for the link Timo!

      • sifferkoll

        July 4, 2016 at 10:21 am

        It’s not a forum and I dont like your smell. Never have. You can vomit over here in the Dungeon, that’s fine with me.

    • sifferkoll

      July 4, 2016 at 10:28 am

      You just feel pissed, that all Timo.

      Are you not some kind of “consultant” yourself? ( I know my stuff, do you?

      You seem somewhat obsessed with sending me short insulting messages, don’t you? I guess that gives you some arousement or whatever… Good for you then!

  38. JNewman

    July 1, 2016 at 8:12 pm

    It is quiet here. I guess all the action is over at LENR Forum where self-proclaimed experts are furiously debating. The amazing thing about all of them is that they have no credentials, no track record for ever being right about anything, and no actual expertise in any pertinent discipline. This is what passes for a technical community in LENR. Axil, for example, is a spewer of endless gibberish and LENR fanboys consider him to be some kind of guru. Viewed from anything but a microcosmic perspective, it is simply pathetic. And given that this exciting saga is now mired in a messy lawsuit, we are likely to be stuck in this circle jerk of pontificated stupidity and childish sniping for a long time to come.

    • Frank

      July 3, 2016 at 10:34 pm

      The endless discussions on lenr-forum about the non-public ERV report alone illustrate how ridiculous this e-cat farce is. – Who with a right mind would ever accept a “report” from a single person as the appropriate affirmation that a world changing invention is genuine.

      If it is really that simple to convince people, well, then I have pills to sell which cures cancer and reverse the aging process – all certified by a testimony from a befriended physician (actually he is an orthopedic, but who cares – any doctor is a doctor).

      • JNewman

        July 3, 2016 at 11:00 pm

        Oh, it is better than that. The single person whose report would settle everything is already well-known to be both incompetent and compromised insofar as independence is concerned. As I have said, anyone who still believes in the Rossi fantasy is a hopeless case.

      • sifferkoll

        July 4, 2016 at 10:42 am

        Who with a right mind would ever accept a “report” from a single person as the appropriate affirmation that a world changing invention is genuine.

        Well, Frankie the ghost! Is this the meme you are promoting now? It might come as a surprise to you that IH did accept exactly that (allthough they try to wriggle in the mtd on the signature issues)

        The reason is of course that there is no doubt in the minds of IH that it works. It is all about control and IP (and some money). But hey, you know that… You are here for other reasons …

        • Tony2

          July 4, 2016 at 12:53 pm


          Or maybe IH woke up finally and realized that The Inventor is not only naked, but nuts? It doesn’t seem like you’ve read any of the documents in the case. According to the contract IH was owed All of the IP and had clear direction to do ANYTHING they wanted with it (including manufacturing and sub-licensing)in the most fertile licensed area. If it worked, then 89 million bucks is chicken feed. Literally. And this is all that Il Douche asked for the greatest invention mankind has ever seen? 100 million bucks for something that would realistically generate trillions in revenue? Everybody who touts AR as the new Edison also unfailingly points out his razor sharp business acumen. Doesn’t seem very smart to me to be asking 100 million for something worth trillions.

          No Suff, no conspiracy to hide or thieves trying to steal. Just a run of the mill con story (maybe) approaching the end of its life. Run of the mill characters, too. No Edisons; no Rockefellers involved. Just an ex-con who had a chance to sharpen his pencil in the joint and a handful of marks with more brains than money. A story older than the one about women who do things for money.

          I was thinking cleaning houses, you perv!


        • Pweet

          July 4, 2016 at 2:35 pm

          Hej du Torkel.
          How come you keep all my posts to your highly informative web site in permanent moderation?
          You must know that it’s very discouraging, to the point that I am seriously considering not posting anything else to it, and then where would you be? 🙂

          • "Jacky"

            July 4, 2016 at 6:54 pm

            Don’t you know “permanent moderation” is swedish för “banned”?

          • sifferkoll

            July 4, 2016 at 7:31 pm

            Cheers mate!

            Hard one. Why am I not worried? Hmmm… 😉

        • Mary Yugo

          July 4, 2016 at 6:01 pm

          The reason is of course that there is no doubt in the minds of IH that it works.

          No, that’s not the reason. The reason IH gave Rossi money is that they did not know how to do due diligence in this scientific area.

          They probably consulted the same three blind mice Swedish professors along with the idiots or crooks, Penon and Levi, and took their word for it that the ecat worked.

          Hey, what do Darden and Vaughn really care about a few million of other people’s money? They were greedy and they moved too fast.

          That’s the reason. If IH thought the ecat worked, Rossi would have his $89M. Why not? The invention would be worth billions or trillions. It is classical for high tech swindles that the fan people (sheeple) don’t accord the discovery the importance it would deserve if it were real. This is yet another example.

        • Frank

          July 4, 2016 at 7:13 pm

          IH did accept exactly that

          As usual, you are wrong again when you claim that “IH did accept a report from a single person as the appropriate affirmation that a world changing invention is genuine”.

          Schedule 3.2(b) of the contract defines the procedure for validation of the E-Cat IP:
          “Rossi will deliver […] all documents, manuals, technical data, formula, and other items and materials necessary or useful to enable IH to operate the 1MW E-Cat Unit and the Hot-Cat, make E-Cat products, and exploit the E-Cat IP…”
          And further:
          “Leonardo and Rossi shall deliver the Catalyzer Formula to IH […] and shall concurrently advise, instruct and demonstrate to IH the steps and procedures necessary to create the Catalyzer Formula and to use the Catalyzer Formula to make the 1MW E-Cat Unit and the Hot Cat fully operable […]”

          That means, IH may validate the e-cat on their own, and Rossi has to provide everything IH needs for a successful validation. Obviously that did not work out, and therefore IH refuses now further payments.

          And just let me add:
          In case you wouldn’t have noticed yet: I don’t hold IH and the contract they made with Rossi in high esteem, I am not defending them, and I am certainly not impressed by the due diligence IH applied in this case.
          That’s why I don’t feel very sorry for IH, should they loose money in this e-cat affair.
          If they agree to contractual terms like the ones given in the “Leonardo – IH” contract, then they have to be prepared for a loss (or a lawsuit)… And as long as it is their own money (the money of some private investors), I don’t care much.

          In excuse for IH accepting such contract terms, it is most likely that Rossi didn’t give IH the opportunity to change anything in the contract – “accept it as it is, or forget it” – and IH decided that it is worth to take the risk.

  39. JohnP

    July 1, 2016 at 8:39 pm

    Methinks that dividing people in just two categories, Skeptics and Believers, fails to take into account the wonderful diversity of the human mind.

    We may need new categories, or sub-categories: for example, I consider myself a Hoper. Every day I wake up hoping that a major university or government laboratory comes out with the stunning news that they have tested the Ecat with a rigorous protocol and yes, it does produce far more power than consumed, and that the world energy problems have been solved.

    Every day, alas, reality again sinks in, and the realization that, sadly, it’s all a big scam.

  40. Mary Yugo

    July 3, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Anyone have any plans when this string of messages goes belly up?

    Is there a backup site for this one?

    One possibility for both is Moletrap. There is a Rossi string though it isn’t used all that much… yet.

    (you need to join but you can use any nick and there are no fees or personal questions)

  41. Linkin Rowed

    July 4, 2016 at 12:45 am

    Good old Frank Acland, perhaps the most servile tool in Rossi’s collection, has decided that the judge has somehow denied the IH/Jones Day motion to dismiss in its entirety. I wonder what law school Frank attended, Looney Tunes U?

    Here’s Frank’s expert legal opinion, for what it’s worth:

    Only Frank could put a positive spin on the dismal failure that is Rossi’s E-Cat. Apparently, Frank wants to see the cold fusion “trial of the century.” What a dope.

    The simple fact is that the judge has not yet ruled on the motion to dismiss. When she does, she will issue an “opinion and order” that looks a lot like this one:

    Until that opinion and order is issued, all this scheduling nonsense is just advanced planning, and that’s all, folks! Happy 4th!

    • Frank

      July 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm

      I have seen that there is on ecw a long string of comments about the “secret customer” again.
      That makes me think for what reason is the “secret customer” still secret?

      I know that during the “1 year test” Rossi’s explanation was that the customer doesn’t want the production to be disturbed.
      Since the “production” at the site (warehouse) in Doral is stopped now, why doesn’t the customer give a testimonial yet?
      Rossi could easily stop all the speculations that the 1MW plant actually delivered only a couple of kW, when the plant manager would confirm that they consumed 1MW steam.

  42. Pweet

    July 4, 2016 at 9:49 am

    I think this site should be kept running until Mr Rossi either falls off the perch or is given an opportunity to avail himself of the free accommodation facilities at the state’s expense.
    Otherwise, it would be sad to have followed this for all that time and then walk out for a whizz just to miss the final episode.
    All that hard work has to take its toll, specially couped up in that 1MW reactor building for a whole year. All that radiation! It just has to have had some detrimental effect. I wouldn’t be surprised if he glows in the dark.
    And the radiation that must come off the QuackEcat! It emits light from a nuclear reaction no less. How much radiation must that emit? At least a picoRad to be sure. Well, maybe a nanoRad?
    Did you stare into that mysterious glow in the photo? It’s all nuclear radiation! Oh,.. must go,.. they are bringing me my meds. 😉

    • Mary Yugo

      July 4, 2016 at 6:04 pm

      I think we should email Paul Story to continue servicing the web site — it would be helpful for it to continue until the Rossicrash. Even maybe until Brillouin and IH throw in the towel as well. I’m pretty sure Brillouin is all hogwash as well. Godes seems like a dolt and McKubre believes anything he’s told that’s cute and shiny.

      • JNewman

        July 4, 2016 at 6:08 pm

        I can’t imagine that the financial burden of this site is of any consequence and in any case “the collective” would gladly foot the bill. What would be needed is a suitable individual to take over the administrative chores. It would have to be someone not seen as an adversarial party. Perhaps Quax, if he were willing, although he rarely shows up here anymore. Other suggestions?

        • tony2

          July 5, 2016 at 1:38 pm


          I would do it but I wouldn’t be able to resist renaming the site to:

          “Il Douche is a Walking HandJob”

          I don’t think that has the necessary gravitas or impartiality to attract reasoned discourse.


          • JNewman

            July 5, 2016 at 2:12 pm

            I suppose we could have had the self-proclaimed neutral party Ransompw as the moderator, but after spending years attacking every skeptical remark posted here with venom and disdain, he suddenly announced “oh, you guys were right” and vanished.

          • Mary Yugo

            July 5, 2016 at 5:07 pm

            Ransom said that we were right? I must have missed that.

          • JNewman

            July 5, 2016 at 8:28 pm

            Sure he did, Al. You even commented on it at the time. April 7, 3:29 pm, if you want to refresh your memory.

          • Frank

            July 6, 2016 at 7:21 pm

            I too would appreciate when ecn stays open till the last episode of the e-cat farce – for a wrap-up after the final showdown (whenever this will be).

            However, in case that there is a sudden shut-down of ecn, maybe “pathoskept” is willing to provide us new shelter?

      • tyy

        July 5, 2016 at 10:12 am

        I have started to think that Rossi will weasel out somehow. Also, he will become a messiah for his believers and take the great secret with him when he passes away.

        And why not. It’s a weird world.

        • Linkin Rowed

          July 5, 2016 at 4:15 pm


          Just wait for the IH countersuit and the fraud indictment.

          • tony2

            July 5, 2016 at 4:45 pm


            Frank and I disagree on this but I also think he’ll weasel out by simply dropping the suit. He’ll get it set up so that nobody can ever speak about the whole affair and that will leave him clean to go after new marks…I mean….”secret customers” and he will be able shove the last five years way down deep and never have to talk about it again. A clean sheet of paper for The Inventor to sketch his magic devices.

            The “ERV Report” will also be sealed up and will become like the pictures of the man-face on Mars. To believers, a Holy Grail that proves the stifling of the technology by nefarious powers or IP theft by equally nefarious entities (even though Il Douche will still be working with the QuarkX tech which means that the notion that tech was suppressed or IP stolen is ridiculous); to the rest of us, just another Holy Grail fantasy.


          • sifferkoll

            July 9, 2016 at 8:25 am


            Just wait for the IH countersuit and the fraud indictment.

            but don’t hold your breath …

  43. Linkin Rowed

    July 5, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    More stethoscope humor from that delusional lunatic Rossi (your special treat for the 4th):

    July 4, 2016 at 1:44 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    Are you using the stethoscope also for yhe [sic] QuarkX ?

    Andrea Rossi
    July 4, 2016 at 2:53 PM
    Warm Regards,

    He, he, he!! I wonder how you listen to a Magic Toothpick with a stethoscope. Does it sing like in a Disney movie? Maybe it’s really a phonograph needle?

    What a dope!

    • Frank

      July 5, 2016 at 6:05 pm

      So, the Magic Toothpick is actually a Magic Flute or Magic Pipe.
      That makes Rossi the Pied Piper, doesn’t it?

      • Linkin Rowed

        July 5, 2016 at 9:07 pm

        Absolutely! We got heat, electricity, blue light, thrust, and now sound. What child or rat could possibly resist all those miracles and wonders?

        • Mary Yugo

          July 6, 2016 at 2:16 am

          Oh, I dunno. Is it stereo? Dolby? I want to know.

          • Linkin Rowed

            July 6, 2016 at 12:21 pm


            As you know, the Magic Toothpick (or Magic Flute) only plays three songs now: “O Sole Mio” by Pavarotti, “Volare” by Dean Martin, and of course “Funiculi Funicula” by Topo Gigio. I’m sure more will come later, including “Happy Birthday”, “White Christmas” and all 17 minutes of “In-A-Godda-Da-Vita” by Iron Butterfly.

            The Magic Toothpick also makes three types of cheese for the rats and three flavors of ice cream for the kids. You can tell it works because of the rats and child-like morons who actually believe Rossi’s Quarkie crap, like Frank Acland, Axil, etc.

            Magic Toothpicks forever!

          • Andy Kumar

            July 6, 2016 at 9:07 pm

            Italian Irish Joke as told by Reagan.

            The President’s first words could not be overheard, but the joke evidently concerned a gondolier who was singing ”O Sole Mio” as he piloted his boat through the canals.

            The rest of the joke went like this:

            ”And the Lord said, ‘I wonder what would happen if I took away 25 percent of his brain power?’

            ”So the Lord did,” and the gondolier sang, ” ‘O sole, O sole.’

            ”The Lord said, ‘Hey, I’ll take half of it away,’ ” and the song became ” ‘O so, O so.’

            ”Finally, the Lord said, ‘What will happen if I take all of his brain power away?’ and He did.” And the gondolier sang, ” ‘When Irish Eyes Are Smiling.’

            I think Reagan got it wrong. If the Lord took out ALL the brain, gondolier will start chattering like Rossi!

          • JKW

            July 7, 2016 at 4:02 am

            It was stupid and ethnically charged. You are lucky your name does not sound ethnic in the USA.

          • JohnP

            July 7, 2016 at 3:03 pm

            JKW, the joke is not offensive because nobody thinks that the Irish are stupid. Bunch of drunks, yes, but stupid, no.

          • Andy Kumar

            July 7, 2016 at 8:44 pm

            The joke was not meant to be offensive, and it is not. It was told by Ronald Reagan himself. All I was saying is that only a mentally ill person with no brains will carry on like Rossi.
            Although my moniker here is not my real name, it does convey that I am of Indian origin. I find Russell Peters really hilarious when he is making fun of Indians. He even makes an effort to “insult” majority whites so they won’t feel excluded!

          • Ivy Matt

            July 7, 2016 at 10:18 pm

            Probably not the funniest joke Reagan ever told. I wouldn’t tell it myself, but then I’m not nearly as Irish as Reagan was.

          • JKW

            July 8, 2016 at 7:31 pm

            A joke is offensive when it diminishes anyone based on their origin. Sometimes the joker of the same origin may be excused. I, for example, can make fun of the Martians. We should not use the nationality factor when laughing our Engineer/Doctor. OK, maybe I overreacted a little, but I was right, nevertheless.

  44. tony2

    July 6, 2016 at 1:45 pm

    Rene over at the nuthouse with a spot-on observation.

    “Rene Bob Greenyer • 8 hours ago
    I love the stylish neutron thermalizer. It reminds me of the Mr. Fusion unit in the movie _Back to the Future_.”

    It should – they’re both made up devices that don’t do anything.


    • tyy

      July 6, 2016 at 7:04 pm

      You are just too mean.

      • tony2

        July 6, 2016 at 8:06 pm

        And I’m getting meaner as I get older. If this keeps up for another year or two, there’s no telling what sort of hurtful things I’ll be saying then.


        • tyy

          July 10, 2016 at 10:22 pm

          I see what you mean. Internet is a many splendoured thing.

  45. Pweet

    July 8, 2016 at 4:53 am

    Fresh off the Rossiblog, is this Mr Rossi making ‘idle chatterings’ to himself again? And then answering it?
    July 7, 2016 at 6:48 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi:
    There are discussions about the position of the flowmeter, and persons without basic education in engineering have discovered that a flowmeter must be installed below the level of the source of the flow and of the destination of the flow, to avoid that the flowmeter go into a cavitation mode. This thing is well known from any plumber. Now, as you have repeatedly explained, the ERV is a nuclear engineer with a doctorate obtained with 110/110 summa cum laude and with experience of work as a nuclear engineer in a nuclear power plant: is there somebody enough stupid to think that such a nuclear engineer needs to learn from a blogger how to place a water flowmeter ? How poor considerations are arriving from your foes, Dr Rossi. Good for you.

    Andrea Rossi
    July 7, 2016 at 9:22 PM
    I agree, but all the evidence that will be presented in Court will clear everything. I cannot anticipate issues that must be disclosed in Court.
    Warm Regards,
    Again it has the Rossi-syntax, and yet ‘Robert’ is a very American sounding name.
    I don’t suppose Mr Rossi would stoop to commenting on the upcoming court case would he,? Under a false name?
    Surely not! How could I even imagine such a thing?
    Well, maybe it is because the post goes,
    ” Now, as you have repeatedly explained, the ERV is a nuclear engineer,… blah blah blah,.. ” as he goes on to repeat something he has already said ten times before. But it’s all getting a bit repetitive, so maybe it’s best if he lets ‘Robert’ say it on his behalf, and then publish it just to remind everyone.
    It’s all very comical really.
    Even if ‘Robert’ is not ‘Rossi’, by publishing it on his blog, isn’t that the same as him commenting on the upcoming court case? How is it that he can call it anything else.
    Of course, it won’t make any difference if the case doesn’t get to court so I guess he might as well throw all the mud he can before he withdraws the action.

    • JKW

      July 8, 2016 at 7:42 pm

      It will not get to the court. The Rossi horse shit bubble would burst and hit the fan, if it does.

  46. tony2

    July 8, 2016 at 2:58 pm

    Pietro asked Il Douche why, after so many successful tests with so many prominent, qualified testers, the ecat is not recognized as a viable energy source.

    “Andrea Rossi
    July 8, 2016 at 7:31 AM
    Pietro F.:
    That is because our product is not yet ready for a massive market, needs more R&D to arrive to that level. Our industrial 1 MW plants are still destined to the so called “pioneer customers”, which means customers that are aware that the product could have problems and are open to tolerate any unforeseen problem that could emerge.
    Warm Regards,

    What a shame. I wonder what has happened? Three years ago the ecat was ready to roll out of a magnificence of a robotic manufacturing plant and orders were being taken. Probably just some sort of engineering glitch that will be taken care of shortly.


    • JKW

      July 8, 2016 at 7:47 pm

      Was it 2013 that was to be the year of doom? The year that pathoskepts were scheduled to swim with the sharks? My gosh, time flies.

    • Pweet

      July 9, 2016 at 10:37 am

      I think he’s still trying to decide on the color, and whether they should use old recycled shipping containers or splash out on new ones. He doesn’t want to ruin a perfectly good invention by not presenting it to the market in an aesthetically pleasing manner. Some really great world saving inventions have failed for lack of good presentation, like ummm,.. er,. well I can’t really think of one now but I bet there are just lots of them.
      They’re quite expensive you know,.. the shipping containers that is, not the reactors. You can pick up the reactors (electric kettles) on special from K-Mart for about 12 dollars. Oh wait, do they have K-Mart in the USA? If not, WalMart will do.
      I bet Mr Rossi didn’t know that. Stand by for a massive production starting as soon as he reads this.

  47. maxs

    July 11, 2016 at 10:36 am

    • tyy

      July 11, 2016 at 5:26 pm

      Yea, that’s funny. AlainCo used to be The Believer.

      • Linkin Rowed

        July 11, 2016 at 7:05 pm


        Great job finding this. It’s maybe the best quote of the entire E-Cat farce.

        Here it is in its entirety:

        I follow evidences [sic], and also I support that when there is insufficient evidence to be sure, one should support research, investigation, while not retending [sic] to be sure of a position he prefers.

        If you remember I’ve always been uncertain on Rossi, driving people back to science, while promoting research around Rossi…

        He, he, he!! This guy really is nuts.

        After 2400 posts on “LENR Forum” alone, and countless hours spent defending Rossi’s delusional fantasy and idiocy, I wonder if good old Alain feels like he has wasted years of his life on Rossi’s preposterous bullshit. Even at $50 per hour, I would bet that Alain has wasted at least hundreds of thousands of dollars on Rossi’s fraud. Maybe he should send Rossi a bill.

  48. tony2

    July 11, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    Everybody is so ready to trash AR on this site.

    “AR never listens to what we say!”

    “AR could prove the ecat works by doing what we say!”

    Well, he has listened. This latest ash sample does away with the near 100% conversion of Ni58 and now has a composition that maybe looks more reasonable. So when he switches the samples now, we won’t be complaining abut the obvious absurdity of the complete conversion!

    On a second note, Frank will put out anything over at the nuthouse. No reference to where the info came from; no verification from any source; and it’s headline news.
    It really is over. The hardest core believer has to have some niggling doubts at this point.


    • Linkin Rowed

      July 11, 2016 at 6:39 pm


      The opera ain’t over till the fat lady sings. I agree that the active scam phase of Rossi’s E-Cat fraud and farce may well be over, although I’m sure Rossi has high hopes for the Quarkie (aka the Magic Toothpick). We still have the trial in Florida, possible fraud indictments, and maybe an IH countersuit. Plenty of laughs still to come. Maybe soon the judge will rule on IH’s motion to dismiss.

      Rossi’s entire E-Cat scam is like a bad version of “The Wizard of Oz” (“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”). Rossi has never “transmuted” a single atom of any isotope into anything else in his entire life, and yet he has managed to keep his scam going for years. First, we had the nickel to copper transmutation lie, a reaction that is so highly unlikely that it wouldn’t occur during a supernova. That lie came with the bogus “cheap to deal with” process to enrich natural nickel in Ni-62 and Ni-64. I wonder what happened to that bullshit process, because that alone would have been worth billions of $. Then we got the “proton-lithium-7 fusion” lie, which is also preposterous, and where nickel is “just a catalyst.” Well, for something that is “just a catalyst,” the latest “results” are simply astounding. If Rossi could produce even 1% of these changes, then I’m sure Darden and IH would welcome him back with open arms and probably wash Rossi’s feet and anoint them with oil. In fact, if Rossi had any proof of these physically impossible results, then the entire scientific world would worship him. However, it is obvious that Rossi deliberately falsified these “transmutation results” by combining commercially available amounts of stable nickel and lithium isotopes. These isotopes can be purchased from vendors like Trace Sciences (

      Anyone who has ever taken a nuclear physics course would know that Rossi’s nickel transmutation results cannot possibly be real. For example, Ni-58 comprises 68% of natural nickel. To “climb the ladder” of nickel isotopes up to Ni-62 as Rossi’s bogus results imply would require the formation of Ni-59 as a first step. Ni-59 is radioactive, but it has a long half-life of 76,000 years ( And yet, there is no Ni-59 whatsoever in Rossi’s fake E-Cat “ash” results. He is not even smart enough to produce a good deception. If he actually believes any of his own crap, then he is simply delusional.

      I agree with you that Frank Acland will publish anything Rossi tells him to, and that the ECW morons will believe just about anything. Common sense alone should be sufficient to convince anyone that Rossi is just an old fraudster. This is not how science gets done. As you noted, if Rossi had anything worthwhile, then he could have proven it years ago. The simple fact is that, as that knucklehead AlainCo now admits, “Rossi has nothing.” Now will Rossi have to pay for his crimes, or will he walk with IH’s money? Inquiring minds want to know.

      • tyy

        July 11, 2016 at 6:58 pm

        Yes, you are right. Plenty of laughts still to come.

        And maybe surprises too, so not yet time to close the case.

      • tony2

        July 11, 2016 at 7:54 pm


        It just doesn’t seem as much fun as when the regular believers were here and spouting their BS and having their asses handed to them by Popeye. I’m not saying it’s over in that the saga won’t continue but, for me, it feels like the salad days are gone, that’s all. And I’m sad about that.


      • sifferkoll

        July 12, 2016 at 7:32 am

        Oh no! Put that bottle down Fred. You’re hallucinating again … 🙂

        • tyy

          July 12, 2016 at 8:28 am

          Sniffy here is certainly not hallucinating. He has permanently moved into his own personal neverland. A hole so deep he don’t remember the sunlight anymore.

  49. The Big Con

    July 12, 2016 at 2:14 am

    Oh yeah, I like to jiggle
    With nothing more than “MY” wiggle
    It is such a fun sight
    To drench it all night
    And give eCatters a nice giggle!

    Love and peace to all 🙂
    Rog <3 <3 <3

  50. The Big Con

    July 12, 2016 at 6:09 am

    Well, who is a con man then?
    Hiding in his secretive den
    Il douche he is called
    So repulsive and bald
    That would Be Rossi, Amen!