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Hydrofusion Sells eCat Juice?

June 12, 2013

On Andrea Rossi’s blog today, the inventor implied that Hydro Fusion (the Swedish licensee) has found a company to act as a showcase for the 1MW eCat and that it is one he approves of. While I do not pretend to understand why this is needed, I do find the development interesting. There have been too many disappointments in the past but I have no reason to suspect Hydro Fusion of being anything but legitimate and if the sale goes through, it may shine a much-needed light on what is going on. Something must change if the credibility logjam is to be broken.


Gian Luca

Dear A.R. is it possible that the same choice made in sweden can be replicated in Italy by Prometeon? It would be a great & good chance, for the italian industry, to know LENR and your tecnology for a great future!

best regards

Gian Luca

>Andrea Rossi

Gian Luca:

The Swedish formula depends on the Licensees, not from us. Leonardo Corp sells the 1 MW plants, and the owners of the plants can use them the way they prefer: if they want to invest in a plant to sell energy, they can do it. We just make a due dioligence on the final Customer who buys the energy, before accepting the solution. Our Swedish licensee has proposed to us a Customer we like, therefore they are free to buy a plant to put it in the concern of their Customer and sell the energy. We gave them green light, but this is an initiative of theirs, not of ours.

Warm Regards,



Donning a positive cap and taking a giant leap by assuming the eCat is real, it is fun to consider what company or organisation might fit the bill. Given their obvious interest, available funds and their positive comments regarding the HotCat tests, the R&D consortium of Elforsk would be the perfect candidate. If Hydro Fusion pulls of such a feat with them (or a similarly credible) body, I for one will applaud and immediately reassess my position. In that spirit: Good luck, Hydro Fusion.


[With thanks to  Deleo77 in eCatNews comments]

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248 Responses to Hydrofusion Sells eCat Juice?

  1. Shane D.

    June 20, 2013 at 3:30 pm


    This the best link, well chronicled, to the whole Rossi/NASA timeline through Krivits biased view:

    Very interesting read if one has about 30 minutes. Surely lots there for skeptics and some for believers.

    Try as he may (Krivits) to paint Rossi in a bad light though, Nelson was impressed by Rossis confidence and willingness to answer all questions posed by he and his team. He also commented on how Rossi was the one pushing the agenda, and agreed to pay for the test.

    When it all fell through (Rossi backed out) -about the time DGT and he spilt, Nelson still remarked that Rossi acted as if he had something and he seemed intrigued about the ecat still.

    But, Rossi still kept working with another branch of NASA, and through a potential business partner (Preston) did do an experiment that failed. I think this is where your and my speculation that Rossis quirkiness may have in part originated from the ecat being unreliable shows itself.

    He obviously had enough confidence to push NASA to test his ecat, but probably crossing his fingers at the same time that it would work that day.

    Oddly, NASA stayed interested in the ecat, as proven shortly thereafter (sept 22 2011) of the failed e-cat test, they had a workshop on LENR/ Rossi at which they still expressed interest in what Rossi had.

    Read the report I linked by Krivits and you can see his frustration with Nelson, Dunn and Bushnell due to their not condemning Rossi.

    Appears to me, as I’ve always thought, that we still don’t have near the whole picture of whats going on behind the scenes. The NASA saga is a good example of that. Reading Krivits timeline, one would think NASA and LENR are done but it only accelerated after that.

    Just today this came up:

    So NASA is still hot on LENR, to the obvious frustration of Krivits and his army of skeptics.

    • John Milstone

      June 20, 2013 at 3:43 pm

      Did you know that Werner von Braun “believed” that the “Great” Kreskin really could bend spoons with his mind?

      Even very smart and technically knowledgeable people sometimes fall for scams; even ones as silly as Kreskin’s. That’s why it’s dangerous to rely too much on a single “expert”, especially when that expert is disputing the collected opinion of his field. Occasionally that lone voice is right, but usually they are wrong.

      Nelson still remarked that Rossi acted as if he had something and he seemed intrigued about the ecat still.

      And we know that con men never act as though they “have something”.

      So NASA is still hot on LENR, to the obvious frustration of Krivits and his army of skeptics.

      And there you go, using a favorite “True Believer” fallacy: assuming that any positive news about LENR in generally is, somehow, evidence that Rossi is legitimate.

      Once again, it is entirely possible that LENR is real and Rossi is a con man. (It is also possible that LENR isn’t real and Rossi is a con man.)

    • Jami

      June 20, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      “So NASA is still hot on LENR”

      If I show you that study again next year, you’ll probably say the same (it is old news).

      And in it you can safely replace “LENR” with “hypersonic reindeer” or “fairies on a golden leash” and wouldn’t really change the content one bit. They’re talking about an entirely hypothetical speculation where LENR actually works and does all the good stuff somebody could possibly dream up about it. Hence the SOW “Watch tech feasibility and development” right at the outset. Yeah, we’re doing exactly the same here.

      • Shane D.

        June 20, 2013 at 4:14 pm


        The NASA Aeronautics Research Institute (NARI) was established to pursue “deliberate investments in innovative, early-stage, and potentially revolutionary aviation concepts and technologies”

        Does this sound like a “hypothetical”?

        Can’t imagine, by your analogy, that NASA would award funding for a “hypersonic reindeer” to integrate onto an airframe for propulsion.

        I think you are sounding silly. This is an indication of NASAs growing confidence in LENRs potential.

    • dsm

      June 20, 2013 at 10:07 pm

      Yep, good points & thanks for the link. However once again I go with the cynical view re Rossi that if he had something ‘of real substance’ he would have demonstrated it to the point that he sets science on fire. But all we get is justifiable incredulity at his antics and claimed (but not) true 3rd party evaluation reports.
      If I follow your mode of reasoning (supposition) then it is somewhat logical to argue that the people who have shut up (Piantelli, DGT, Brillouin) are likely to have something, and the one broadcasting daily to the world has vaporware.
      In the early days NASA was gung-ho on Rossi’s claims and they not only visited Rossi but Piantelli and DGT *among others*. Then the reality set in and NASA slowly began saying less & less about Rossi.
      Let me also remind you about Paul Moller & his 40+ year quest to build a flying car. This is now in China because he failed in the USA & got into trouble with the SEC.
      Now go to this page & count how many NASA execs (from the top down) have praised Moller’s non-flying skycar (a flawed design – I can explain that if needed but it needs a lot of words) …
      Dan Goldin has long gone from his post as Administrator of NASA, Bushnell is current chief scientist there. Do you believe any of these plus the other names are embarrassed by having their names on this Moller page ? – nup & that is because they did it to encourage the skycar idea but you won’t find them investing or providing any more grants. And, they have not asked Moller to remove what they said because the truth is they said those words.
      Point here is NASA support at one point in time does not mean it is still there nor does it mean the technology is or was proven.

    • dsm

      June 20, 2013 at 10:28 pm



      This is of general interest but John Preston also visited Rossi on a NASA evaluation trip (along with Jim Dunn) and he returned after the tests failed.
      About John Preston (him when younger in this pic)
      Reason John is relevant to me is his area of expertise is rotors & NASA gave a grant to CarterCopters (my pet project) back when Dan Goldin was administrator of NASA. IIRC John was involved in evaluating the granting of the grant to CarterCopters. Also I have already mentioned that Jim Dunn shared a marquee with us (CarterCopters) at Oshkosh Airshow. That was how we 1st met.
      Knowing some of these people makes a big difference in understanding what they think and say, esp when you can just ask them !.

      • Shane D.

        June 21, 2013 at 2:43 am


        The phrase: “trying to put lipstick on a pig” comes to mind in describing my post.

        Indeed, it was a struggle for me to find some angle to dress up the NASA/Rossi affair a bit… just to make it appear a little more acceptable for the believers.

        I tried though and thought maybe I slipped one in there, but you rightly caught on and guided the debate back to reality in a very polite fashion.

        In actuality, Rossi didn’t look so good in his dealings with NASA.

        • dsm

          June 21, 2013 at 3:49 am


          I am delighted we are able to discuss these matters in such an open & rational & friendly fashion.

          I never liked it when the extremists of both sides had sway and would often open a comment with a metaphorical punch-in-the-face or an insult. The temptation to retaliate can be overwhelming (well for me it has been at times with certain folk (mostly on the Skep side)).

          Don’t be too harsh re your POV, such discussions really do allow rational people to reach their own conclusions so let me thankyou for your participation & openness.


    • dsm

      June 20, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      Am adding this as a relevant example and an illustration of a common and fundamental logic flaw. In this case classic among ‘Rossi believers’ in regard to NASA’s initial interest in Rossi and even its overall interest in LENR.
      This was posted a few hrs ago by a long time Rossi follower. I won’t include his name but will post the time it was made ( June 20, 2013 at 12:01 pm). This poster means well but I have given him heaps in the past for this repeated defect in his thinking processes.
      The topic …
      The post …

      Yes, that’s deserving of a thread in itself. Surely you wouldn’t fund a programme to assess an energy source for aviation unless the energy source actually existed.
      I would say this is v. strong confirmation of the existence of LENR.


      By that rationale the Moller Skycar (which had more than one NASA grant in the past) is a proven and viable craft (which it is not, and, is highly unlikely to be, whilst it relies on liquid fuel & combustion engines to keeps its four corners level and stable).
      Put simply, NASA funding does not prove the funded technology is viable.

  2. Neil Farbstein

    June 20, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    Deleted by Admin

    • Roger Barker

      June 20, 2013 at 10:50 pm

      You might have better luck on JONP

      • dsm

        June 20, 2013 at 10:53 pm

        That is being optimistic LOL


    • Thicket

      June 20, 2013 at 10:55 pm

      Admin Paul

      Neil Farbstein of Vulvox is back again. You deleted his post last time and I suggest you do so again. Refer to my post about Farbstein’s dubious businesses out of a New York State house.

  3. Anonymole

    June 21, 2013 at 12:17 am

    Japan must be gnashing their teeth at the obfuscation and misdirection Rossi is manipulating this breakthrough energy technology with. The Japanese people spend $100M daily on crude oil imports, not to mention $millions more for nat.gas imports. How frustrated they must be with Rossi’s shenanigans.

    Maybe Greenpeace, and the Sierra Club should sue Rossi for criminal negligence for withholding and and delaying the introduction of a planet saving energy technology.

    Or the World Health Organization should sue him for denying the world a non-polluting NFE and an NFE water purifying energy source. Just imagine the lives e-cats would save through water purification alone. And imagine the lives lost without it…

    How many people is Rossi’ killing daily by sequestering his discovery? The man must be worse that Hitler and Stalin combined. That is, of course, if he’s not just a silly old Italian fool playing at being popular and controversial.

    • spacegoat

      June 21, 2013 at 2:47 pm

      Nicely put.
      Expect some “free market” bravado from others about inviolability the market and profit maximizing.

  4. Harry Perini

    June 21, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Safe new nuclear power is making Rossi Lenr obsolete:

    For the first time in decades, there are an abundance of new designs for nuclear power reactors — ones that are safer, more powerful, more portable, and even ones that produce hardly any nuclear waste. From the Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Professor Dr. Richard Lester and Graduate Students Mark Massie and Leslie Dewan will talk about the evolution of nuclear power in the United States, and directions that the industry might take in the future. They will also describe new technology that solves two of the biggest problems with nuclear power — Safety and Waste Disposal.

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    • spacegoat

      June 21, 2013 at 2:57 pm

      Conventional nuclear sources will only last a few decades. Fast breeder nuclear reactors, if implemented, may last 1000 years. But Plutonium-239 bred as output and fuel is the most toxic substance known to man and also the material required for making nuclear bombs. Too risky given the good and safe prospects with thorium reactors.

    • quax

      June 22, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      There are inherently safe reactor concepts currently researched that use particle accelerators and allow to transmute nuclear waste. Wrote about this a while back.

      That article made it onto slashdot and was picked up by an IT guy who wrote the controller software for the reactor, and I subsequently interviewed him a bit.

      A point that especially stuck with me, is that standard coding practices sufficed, as no bug in the software could ever trigger a run-away nuclear reaction.

      • CuriousChris

        June 23, 2013 at 8:18 am

        You mean to say it would run safely on windows?

        Man I respect you, but you have got to be kidding me!

  5. Jami

    June 21, 2013 at 3:14 pm

    “Does this sound like a “hypothetical”?”

    Shane, yes of course it does. “Potentially” is just that. It doesn’t mean it is real. It could be completely bogus. I mean if you read the text you can see that they didn’t put much thought or research into it. They were, at the time, of course still talking about Rossi’s “old” theory (Ni->Cu + gammas) which was so outrageously stupid that even the master himself dropped it. Doesn’t keep the dreamers at NASA from starting to calculate details like the amounts of copper they’d have to dispose at airports per passenger and stuff like that. You seem to think that if somebody wearing a NASA batch talks about something, it somehow gains more credibility just for that fact – but in reality it doesn’t. Not even one tiny bit. And it is not because the food in NASA canteens dissolves their brains but because they’re allowed and even encouraged to dream up stuff which is totally hypothetical. Your tax dollars at work – and sometimes it really does produce something useful or even revolutionary which probably wouldn’t exist if they’d only think along established and proven lines (not that I can think of a recent example – but I still think it is perfectly OK for them to do things looking stupid on the surface, even if most of them likely never amount to anything at all).

    • Shane D.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:16 pm


      Hard to reconcile your comparing NASAs interest in LENR propulsion systems as being equivalent to funding “flying reindeer” research. Yes, I know you were making an emphatic point that LENR is no more to NASA then some daydreamers latest whimsical idea. Just fund a whole bunch of these off the wall concepts and maybe some will fly… just like your fanciful flying reindeer.

      I just don’t think this can be written off so cavalierly. For one: NASA has been active in their own LENR research while also scouring the LENR underworld looking at emerging research and products. Bushnell, NASAs head scientist, to this day is probably the most supportive of developments. Think about that. The head scientist of NASA.

      NASA also has already seen excess heat in their own 1989 study, along with a replication of that experiment in 2008. So they know the PFE works. Once you have relaible excess energy a propulsion system can’t be too far behind. Remember too, that DR. Miley at LENUCO has a concept space propulsion system he is developing.

      Also, while I agree that NASA is a beauracratic, hidebound, wasteful government agency, they still select probably some of the most highly qualified scientist, engineers in the US.

      Being a goverment agency I would also think they don’t release money without some type vetting process. They surely don’t pull $150,000 out of the safe and hand it over to anybody with a wild crazy arse idea.

      I can’t prove it like everything else, but common logic tells me that this NASA LENR project is a little more then what you make it out to be.

      • Jami

        June 21, 2013 at 8:04 pm

        “NASA also has already seen excess heat in their own 1989 study, along with a replication of that experiment in 2008. So they know the PFE works.”

        And you don’t find it at all astonishing that they spent $180,000 for Zawodny last year and now $150,000 for Wells (who isn’t even researching LENR but simply dreaming up an aeronautic application for it) from a budget of roughly $18 billion when they were sure LENR worked back in 1989? Does that sound to you as an appropriate balancing of R&D priorities for a game changing technology that they KNOW will revolutionize not only space flight but the entire world? It’s a fraction of what they spent on researching, say, the antimatter sail (which was only slightly more realistic than reindeer propulsion BEFORE the study – now probably even less).

        • Shane D.

          June 21, 2013 at 8:48 pm

          You oviously are so invested in your skeptic argument that you are missing important information. It is not earth shattering of course, but it is a step in the right direction.

          No doubt if NASA put $0 into LENR research then that would support your belief. Now though, when they do fund it, it’s not enough money for you.

          Nice little circular argument you’ve got going with yourself. Always comes back around to cold fusion is not real no matter the facts.

          • Jami

            June 21, 2013 at 9:33 pm

            Look, we’re talking about .0008% of their budget. Short of Hansen’s birthday party in 2011 (coffee and cookies for everybody at GISS), that is about as close to $0 as it gets there. Probably proportional to what they think about it’s potential and still too much in my view. But, as you say, it is a step in the right direction – downwards.

          • CuriousChris

            June 23, 2013 at 8:20 am

            NASA reviews everything. The fact that they look at something doesn’t make it any more likely.

            Playing the NASA card is grasping at straws.

  6. Al Potenza

    June 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    “But, Rossi still kept working with another branch of NASA, and through a potential business partner (Preston) did do an experiment that failed. I think this is where your and my speculation that Rossis quirkiness may have in part originated from the ecat being unreliable shows itself.

    He obviously had enough confidence to push NASA to test his ecat, but probably crossing his fingers at the same time that it would work that day.”

    OK, people. I tire at nonsense like this and at people’s short memories. Rossi never displayed less than *three* ecats on his work table at a time. He claimed to be testing DOZENS!

    There is no reason why, if a particular ecat device malfunctioned, he could not provide others. Anyone who demonstrates equipment based on novel technology has to be prepared with spare units, well tested, and also with spare measuring equipment.

    In all probability, the reason Rossi did not show NASA (or Quantum/Australia) and several others a working ecat is because he did not think that those particular visitors were gullible enough for whatever mismeasurement he planned for the day. That and maybe because their questions or instruments they brought with them, suggested to Rossi that they would be hard or impossible to fool.

  7. Dale G. Basgall

    June 21, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    In the USA there is division of country protectors called Homeland Security. Even if you type the words Fusion-Nuclear Reactor and so on your intranet will be visited by the people that can view your files that are hired to watch and alert their organization leaders of the potential threat of nuclear fusion or fission in the general population.

    So it was easy for Mr. Rossi to get “off the ground” with his claims immediately by simply mentioning those words in his claims, like he did obviously. He knew without doubt he would be pulled in by the US officials no matter if what he was claiming was reality or not. It was all about the hype and marketing strategy he had for his hocus pocus exhibits of the claimed technology of “e-cat”.

    Now if your NASA or an organization like that, and a nutbar like Rossi claimed to have a nuclear process going on in the factory “hello” do you think NASA would just say cool the Italian may have something there. Or the US government would say cool the Italians are really stepping up to the game of this cold fusion claim.

    That is so obvious that the entire Rossi show boat was about this angle to promote himself as the creator like Tesla and that the organizations he targeted were used for his promotion of a claimed product i.e. NASA connections.

    So like many products, the inventor gambled on making money without ever having the goods claimed.

    • Al Potenza

      June 21, 2013 at 7:10 pm

      Dale, What the HELL are you talking about?! To me, nothing in your post makes sense.

      Rossi is simply an investor scam. Classical. In every way. He’s a bit more clever and a lot more lucky than most, that’s all. He’ll get caught or simply disappear. I wonder how long his supporters will wait when he fails to deliver that “free” ecat. Or maybe he will sell hidden power from the mains to some gullible “customer”. It’s a never ending comedy.

      So far the only checking on Rossi about the nuclear aspect of his claim was initiated by Gary Wright and led nowhere. Rossi denied any nuclear activity of any sort in the US. So was he lying there, or on JONP where he made contrary claims? He lies so much, it’d be hard to tell if he ever told a truth!

      • Dale G. Basgall

        June 21, 2013 at 8:58 pm

        Al there has been much talk in posts about the Hi Maka NASA as a supporter of LENR and also other organizations that from the outside looking in appear to be working on the technology, and totally based on what I have read in these posts.

        Also claims of the military being an interested customer of Mr. Rossi as well.

        What I had interpreted is that he claimed a transmutation of elements and that claim alone would have made US government and also NASA step up to the plate and state what they did as in interests and potential development early on with no facts substantiating the Rossi claims for LENR.

        It was just to big to pass up and let go without showing interest either to put out the fire or build on it.

      • Deleo77

        June 21, 2013 at 9:07 pm

        Do you ever ask the question, why hasn’t he been caught or disappeared yet? What future event is going to cause this to happen and when? Rossi is pretty accessible right now. Ask a question on his blog and he will get right back to you. I have seen plenty of investor schemes where they ask for new rounds of investment, and then they hide behind PO Boxes and dummy corporations in the Cayman Islands.

        Rossi is not asking for any new rounds of investments nor is he hiding. He is kind of doing the opposite. I am not saying this isn’t some kind of scam, and certainly Rossi has put a few bucks in his pocket over the last few years from the sale of the licenses. But do you ever ask if this hypothesis doesn’t add up? Is Rossi working in a back room right now trying to figure out how to cheat in the next round of testing? My gut instincts doubt that. If something is off, it’s something else that is yet to be determined. He is not getting rich off of this, and no future money appears to be coming in from investors, just sales to customers. So what motivates him to stay in the game as we speak?

        • Dale G. Basgall

          June 21, 2013 at 9:24 pm

          Deleo77 I am not viewing the Rossi saga as a scam, just the potential that he most certainly observed the rare affects of the LENR system reactions. This was built upon when he claimed to have been warming up his factory and making electricity.

          We have also noticed there are times that it appears excess heat pops up. No conditions have been duplicated and it does seem that there are logical explainable over unity heat affects while doing the experiments.

          So in fact there is something happening in these hydrogen loaded metal lattice systems that would lead a band wagon attitude artist to capitalize by making it obvious that he (Rossi) was the pioneer of the technology LENR. Of which he is not and many have observed this occurrence at times regarding more heat out than calculated electrical energy in.

          So Rossi jumped the gun and gambled that he would eventually make the e-cat perform as he thought it should, he has not accomplished that after working for 5 years as he claims on this process.

        • CuriousChris

          June 23, 2013 at 10:04 am

          Why hasn’t Rossi been caught? A simple question with a simpler answer.

          He has. Tried and convicted with goal time.

          This time he is not so stupid as to create an environmental disaster. Last time he was that stupid.

          In the current scam the people gullible enough to invest with him continue to remain gullible, those that eventually give up will slink away embarrassed that they were made fools of. If Rossi is anything he is conniving. Therefore when the investors give him money I can guarantee he promises them nothing in return. Of course he will ‘talk’ up how rich they will become. how they will be leading the world. but his agreements will not put that into writing.

          Use your own mind to think about how this works. How would you make a scam like this work? If you seriously think about it, you will see Rossi doing many of the things you can think of and more still, because he is experienced. This is at least his third major scam. One would assume he learns along the way and fine tunes his MO.

  8. Harry Perini

    June 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    The IRS spent $10 million on parties and line dancing lessons.
    Why can’t the government spend some money on LENR ?

    • ts

      June 22, 2013 at 4:45 am

      Maybe because LENR doesn’t work?

    • CuriousChris

      June 23, 2013 at 10:09 am

      Maybe not the IRS but there was certainly a lot of money spent particularly after P&F in 1989.

      They found nothing conclusive. Still money has continued to be poured into LENR research. Not the billions that goes into HENR but still a lot of money. People have made careers from it. Yet nothing has come of it except a few vague claims. each one seemingly different from the others.

      Its hard to warrant putting money into something where the goal posts continuously move.

  9. Al Potenza

    June 22, 2013 at 12:25 am

    “Do you ever ask the question, why hasn’t he been caught or disappeared yet?”

    He has not been caught yet because he has not allowed accurate testing and none of his investors are smart enough to require it *specifically*. They apparently are happy with the silly dog and pony shows Rossi has done, including the present one.

    “What future event is going to cause this to happen and when?”

    Hard to say. Maybe some regulatory agency will take interest, especially in the US if he is incautious enough to sell investments there. Who knows? Look at Steorn. They started their scam around 2006. They’ve proved nothing, they’ve sold nothing and still they go on like the demented little energizer bunnies of fraud, lies and beer farts that they are.

    “Rossi is pretty accessible right now. Ask a question on his blog and he will get right back to you.”

    Rossi is only accessible to duffusses (and it’s usually the same ones) who ask him the same silly questions instead of holding his feet to the fire. Rossi never accepts interviews from anyone capable of thinking his way out of an empty coffee cup and he simply censors anything submitted to his blog which bothers him. For example, try asking him why his steam experiments and heat exchanger experiments did not include blank runs and calibrations. Try asking why none of the invited people at the October 28, 2011 was able too see how the data were collected, much less use their own instruments.

    “Rossi is not asking for any new rounds of investments nor is he hiding…”

    Dumbest thing you said so far. How the h*ll would you know whether Rossi is fleecing investors at the moment? You think he’d make it public? Rossi has never sold anything and never intends to sell anything. That would open him up to obvious criminal fraud charges when he could not deliver. But investor fraud is much more difficult to prosecute. It depends what the investors were told. A lot of sins are covered by NDA agreements and “best efforts/no guaranteed result” type of clauses. I am sure Rossi puts plenty of those in his contracts.

    “Is Rossi working in a back room right now trying to figure out how to cheat in the next round of testing? “

    Exactly! That is the only real work he ever does.

  10. Jami

    June 22, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    “He is not getting rich off of this, and no future money appears to be coming in from investors, just sales to customers. So what motivates him to stay in the game as we speak?”

    What I find strange about this sort of argument is that it gives the scammer far more credit than he deserves. It assumes that if Rossi isn’t a physics genius next to whom Einstein looks like an ape after a brain amputation, he must at least be a criminal mastermind the likes of which hasn’t been seen since Moriarty was pushed down the waterfall. Does it never occur to anybody that he is neither? He is a half-talented fraudster with a history who hit a small goldmine when he met Focardi and Levi. His initial fraud concept probably included Defkalion who should be better positioned to steal and hide serious money than the assortment of Feng-Shui consultants and magnet-motor gurus he’s using now – but for whatever reason that partnership went south (or at least they both claim it did – could be symbiosis). So he’s dragging it out year after year now – with no end in sight. I doubt he has an exit strategy in place. And I doubt he’ll ever need one as long as he doesn’t make the mistake of selling something to a customer.

    So is he getting rich? Not really. At least nowhere near as rich as he would already be if he had a working LENR reactor – but probably a lot richer than he would be as an unemployed Dr. of science philosophy. Is he fooling the entire world? No, just a bunch of CF and free energy nutcases – the rest don’t know about him or don’t believe a word he’s saying. Is this the biggest, best, most intelligent and successful scam ever? Not even close – and that is not because it isn’t a scam. It is because the scam isn’t very good.

  11. spacegoat

    June 22, 2013 at 12:29 pm

    I must remark that in the past, these last two posts by Al Potenza and Jami would have been labelled “pathoskeptic”. Now, then just seem like good sense.

    Admin – we are in need of a new lead to keep this going. 🙂

    • Ransompw

      June 22, 2013 at 1:13 pm

      Are you kidding. The two posts are so over-the-top pseudoskeptic the two posters can’t even find their way back to a skeptics path. The reason no one posts responses is that it is all together pointless. You might as well be discussing matterrs with a Rock or Rockhead, take your pick.

      • Al Potenza

        June 22, 2013 at 4:37 pm

        Broken record, Ransom. And a silly one. Skeptics have already told you many times what is needed for Rossi to prove he’s real. He can do it with a truly independent test not involving his venue, his test equipment, his methods and his friends. He can also sell something– ANY type of ecat — to someone who can show a single well performed, incontrovertible, objective independent test. This has all been true for almost three years.

        Neither Rossi nor Defkalion, Brillouin, Nanospire, Miley, Hagelstein, Swartz, or any other believer darling has been able to show convincing evidence of high power (dozens or hundreds of watts) for long periods (days or weeks) with proper measurements.

        Now I’m the broken record. But you and the other small group of believers really refuse to even try understanding it.

        It’s not rocket science to prove LENR if the claim is for robust power. It’s quite simple. And the current crop of crooks and turkeys has not done it.

  12. Jami

    June 22, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    The man has no shame. In his announcement of Focardi’s death (RIP), he notes:

    “For me he has been a tremendous ally, he helped our work enormously and the safety certifications that we are obtaining are the friut of his consulting during the last 7 years.”

    What an achievement to be credited with posthumously as a scientist. A 7 year consulting during the safety certification of an electric heater in a shipping container posing as a nuclear reactor. In a way it is merciful that he doesn’t have to endure what’s coming.

    • Shane D.

      June 22, 2013 at 3:51 pm

      That was pretty heartless Jami. Focardi was a man of many achievements. Far more then you or I will ever be credited with in our obituaries.

      Making him out to be a fool the day he dies, just because in your opinion he was suckered by Rossi is very disrespectful.

      • Al Potenza

        June 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm

        Unfortunately Shane, it’s the truth. I don’t blame Focardi, though. I think Rossi is a cynical sociopath and a complete as*hole.

      • CuriousChris

        June 23, 2013 at 10:31 am

        Its Rossi that is taking advantage of Focardi’s passing.

      • Jami

        June 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm

        You missed the point. It was Rossi who shamelessly singled out Focardi’s consulting for a meaningless safety certification as an achievement – and I blame him for that. It is all a matter of perspective, of course. In your eyes, Focardi may really be primarily remembered for his supporting role in getting a signature under a paper saying that using an e-cat isn’t especially harmful unless it drops on your head and you may even consider that being particularly respectful.

  13. Dan M. Mrejeru

    June 27, 2013 at 4:01 am

    Most of people blogging here are mislead about the idea that the high interests want new technology like LENR. These new technologies are “disruptive”, are supposed to sell very cheap and hence they will not produce any “big money”. Current technologies produce “big money” and they will stay in place for a very long time in the future until the natural resources of energy and raw materials diminishing will hurt the big business.
    In the meantime we are too proud on our current knowledge. They are the knowledge of the cellular level (or the macro level). Already when we enter the micro level as nano domain our laws crumble useless. More deeper, at atomic level we live with a fabricated myth.
    All LENR and many other things recently discovered (for example the “primo vascular system”, or the aura as an emission of photons, and so on)indicate that we are in the infancy of acquiring more fundamental knowledge. However these new fundamentals render our current technology and social practice as highly inadequate.
    All we try to do it is to hide the glimpse on new realities. Of course we are very far from being prepared for them.
    This is the real “inconvenient truth” not the global warming (that is just the solar system “warming” due to cosmogenic causes).

    • ts

      June 27, 2013 at 9:12 am

      No LENR or free energy technology works until an independent test by measurement experts says that it works. NASA, a respected agency, tried to prove the ecat worked by putting together an agreement to test it that the ecat people agreed to. But, apparently, the ecat people failed to provide NASA with an ecat to test on two occasions. The failure to provide NASA with ecats to test is, perhaps the reason no government takes the ecat or LENR seriously.

  14. john

    November 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm

    It’s odd that no comments are after June 27 2013, it is now Nov. 2013, Wondering about that Prize Dick Smith was offering has been paid, It looks like 2 of the organizations have confirmed this LENR is a fact. How convenient the prize expired 8 months earlier, looks like the Swiss have it all sewn up.