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Torbjörn Hartman Expands On eCat Test

May 26, 2013

One of the HotCat Paper authors, Torbjörn Hartman, has commented in more detail about the checks he personally made to reduce the chance of deception on the power input circuit. The following is a Google translation with some spelling corrections and with thanks to Jed Rothwell on Vortex who received the link from a Swedish journalist. It is good to see that Hartman approached the task with an appropriate level of caution and interesting to see that a reasonable amount remains. Even so, this is another small indicator that allows us to retain and build a measure of hope.

Remember that there were not only three clamps to measure the current on three phases but also four connectors to measure the voltage on the three phases and the zero/ground line. The protective ground line was not used and laid curled up on the bench. The only possibility to fool the power-meter then is to raise the DC voltage on all the four lines but that also means that the current must have an other way to leave the system and I tried to find such hidden connections when we were there. The control box had no connections through the wood on the table. All cables in and out were accounted for. The E-cat was just lying on the metal frame that was only free-standing on the floor with no cables going to it. The little socket, where the mains cables from the wall connector where connected with the cables to the box and where we had the clamps, was screwed to the wood of the bench but there was no screws going through the metal sheet under the bench. The sheet showed no marks on it under the interesting parts (or elsewhere as I remember it). Of course, if the white little socket was rigged inside and the metal screws was long enough to go just through the wood, touching the metal sheet underneath, then the bench itself could lead current. I do not remember if I actually checked the bench frame for cables connected to it but I probably did. However, I have a close-up picture of the socket and it looks normal and the screws appear to be of normal size. I also have pictures of all the connectors going to the powermeter and of the frame on the floor. I took a picture every day of the connectors and cables to the powermeter in case anyone would tamper with them when we were out.

I lifted the control box to check what was under it and when doing so I tried to measure the weight and it is much lighter than a car battery. The box itself has a weight, of course, and what is in it can not be much.

All these observations take away a number of ways to tamper with our measurements but there can still be things that we “didn’t think of” and that is the reason why we only can claim “indications of” and not “proof of” anomalous heat production. We must have more control over the whole situation before we can talk about proof.

Best regards,
Torbjörn

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12 Responses to Torbjörn Hartman Expands On eCat Test

  1. doubting Thomas

    May 27, 2013 at 1:21 am

    My understanding is that the resistance Heater used to prime or initiate the reaction draws less than a kilowatt. Why then isn’t it run single phase. Why not monitor both the input and output of the control device? With a man like Rossi with his history of deception the presumption should be that this is likely a fraud.

  2. spacegoat

    May 27, 2013 at 1:51 am

    “We must have more control over the whole situation before we can talk about proof.”

    = another Rossi circus.

    Tests that have large areas of doubt built in are worthless. The frenzy of interest is ill founded but I suppose Rossi’s pop-star profile has to be fed from time to time.

    Ecatnews has been woken up too early. Better snooze a while longer.

    • Anonymole

      May 27, 2013 at 2:52 am

      It maybe though that this is the catharsis that vets the entire Rossi escapade. Maybe, in 3 or 5 months from now, we’ll all be able to put this behind us and go back to our unfortunate fossil fuel future; a sad but necessary acknowledgement of reality.

  3. Ian Macmillan

    May 27, 2013 at 2:15 am

    Did anyone measure the current in the neutral line? I see no mention of this. If the current, voltage and phase of the three actives were known, it would be possible to calculate a neutral current. Anyway, why three phase power?

  4. Jay

    May 27, 2013 at 2:51 am

    The heater coil configuration of the Dec. test was 3-phase delta, so there was no neutral or ground for that test. Also, the testers had the dummy eCat to campare and calibrate their setup. The pulsed output of one test showed power rising after power was cut off. Finally there was the destroyed eCat and melted ceramic housings. Excess heat!

    I would like to see pictures of the destroyed eCat and more thermal photos of the dummy eCat, but I think the testers were pretty thorough otherwise. For the eCat to be a scam, one or more testers have to be in on it.

  5. Ian Macmillan

    May 27, 2013 at 11:55 am

    In the March test, power to the heater(s) is said to be single phase, while supply to the control box was three phase, without specifying that there was no neutral.

    It is not clear why the control box would require 110-120W (see p.18). Presumably for this test the power level was adjusted by some form of phase control at mains frequency, as distinct from the additional on/off temperature control (with a period of seconds) that was used in the live test.

    The type of controls used for these functions are very efficient, and at the power levels involved I would expect the controls to use only a few watts, so one has to ask the question

  6. Neil Farbstein

    May 27, 2013 at 5:34 pm

    Deleted by Admin

  7. Thicket

    May 27, 2013 at 6:32 pm

    Paul

    Do your really want your site promoting a dubious company like Vulvox Nanobiotechnology?

    Check out their website. Vulvox is looking for partners (ie money) for all sorts of schemes. The list includes

    * energy storage
    * AIDS cure
    * solar power collectors
    * greenhouse gas emission reduction
    * mold protection for cheese
    * graphene ultra-high strength material
    * silicon sealant for labware
    * carbon nanotube adhesive

    All of this wonderful business comes out of a suburban house in NY state.

    Now we have Farbstein coming here looking for folks to review his report on an LENR control system.

    Vulvox doesn’t pass the ‘smell’ test.

    • admin

      May 27, 2013 at 7:09 pm

      Thank you. Sorted.

      Paul

  8. Robbie

    May 27, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    The interesting part.
    Rossi has a proven track record. Why were they not allowed to inspect the control box nor disconnect the device from the supply when it was said to be in self sustain mode? With Rossi’s record maybe we have an electric heater. no new science, no magic, just the same old rabbit in the hat show.

    All these observations take away a number of ways to tamper with our measurements but there can still be things that we “didn’t think of” and that is the reason why we only can claim “indications of” and not “proof of” anomalous heat production. We must have more control over the whole situation before we can talk about proof.
    Best regards,
    Torbjörn

  9. jetmech

    May 29, 2013 at 8:00 am

    once again another Rossi sideshow!

    “Four Scientists” from around the
    World ! I tell ya!

    However as always NO DEFINITIVE Report!
    Investors needed a little more juicing.
    Why is it that the same people are always
    observing these demos?

  10. John Milstone

    May 31, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    From the article:

    Remember that there were not only three clamps to measure the current on three phases but also four connectors to measure the voltage on the three phases and the zero/ground line.

    Note that in the second “cheese” video, the presenter duplicated these tests as well.

    So, when this “expert” says there is no way to fake this, he is clearly wrong.