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eCat Conference – Zurich

September 8, 2012

I have no idea how useful it will be but the Zurich eCat Conference is now streaming live. So-far (and understandably) much of the talk is in German but as I write this, the speaker is using English.

While I am happy to encourage robust debate, I ask you all to respect the light touch moderation and do not abuse each other. You win no arguments by insult and reduce your credibility. Thank you.


The itinerary is here.

Streaming video by Ustream

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113 Responses to eCat Conference – Zurich

  1. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Yeah. Looks like Schneider is repeating every sentence in English (which is a good thing, since it’s actually better to understand that his heavily accented Swiss German).

  2. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Poor Zawodny and Bushnell – but I guess they had it coming. Innocent talk about remote possibilities on video becomes an endorsement of “this technology” in the words of a professional scammer like Schneider.

  3. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Hans Weber is probably the biggest nutcase who is for some unfathomable reason still allowed to run around without a straitjacket.

    • Robert Munson

      September 8, 2012 at 3:04 pm


  4. MaxS

    September 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Schneider says no domestic e-cat would be launched before mid to end 2013, due to certification issue.
    Nothing new so far, it seems.

  5. Paul

    September 8, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Since the domestic ecat is only designed as an add on for an existing home heating boiler, with a COP of 6, and with the requirement that the domestic e-cat be installed and refueled only by a licensed contractor, Rossi has drastically limited his customer base.

    The only people that will want to buy them are people that have both a fuel oil boiler and can qualify for the license so they can install it and refuel it themselves.

    It isn’t going to be all that cost effective for anybody else. I don’t see him selling a million a year unless he drastically lowers the price from what he has so far claimed.

  6. MaxS

    September 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    there was just a good question whether the quantity of isotopic copper was measured. Getting closer to the subject (we remember Kullander´s data in contrast to Rossi´s claims)
    Weber and Scheider avoided to answer and said Rossi would answer later.

    • Jami

      September 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm

      It was just repeated by a guy asking for Rossi to stand up and answer it. Schneider now babbles on in answering, saying that it may well be, that the Cu transmutes right back – and besides – everybody wants coffee now rather than hearing the answer. And with that, the video ended.

      • MaxS

        September 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm

        yeah. They avoided the question the second time. Just heard the blabla. Embarassing. The only interesting point so far was missed.
        It seems the coffee break now has priority.

      • John Milstone

        September 8, 2012 at 3:50 pm

        and besides – everybody wants coffee now rather than hearing the answer.

        Let me guess, they’re not using an E-Cat to heat the coffee?

        Since Rossi gave numerous “demos” of his tabletop E-Cat, it’s hard to imagine a legitimate reason why he wouldn’t have brought one to show to his suckers investors.

  7. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Here we go. He’s “on the black list of the Illuminati and the oil lobby”… yeah, sure, applause. What a disaster this already is – and Rossi hasn’t even spoken yet.

    Hands up – who will be the first spinning the argument “This is so bad – it can’t possibly be a scam. If it was, the event wouldn’t be such a silly joke but sleek and professional.”

    • Paul

      September 8, 2012 at 3:58 pm

      Sleek and professional means it was run by marketing and the engineers were not allowed to participate. It has nothing to do with whether it is a scam or not.

      • Al Potenza

        September 8, 2012 at 6:01 pm

        Are you still making strange excuses for Rossi’s inability to do anything right?

        • Paul

          September 8, 2012 at 6:06 pm

          I don’t make excuses for you or Rossi. I am only qualified to make excuses for myself.

  8. Kapytanhook

    September 8, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Anyone else getting horrible sound?

  9. GreenWin

    September 8, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Apparently at least one celebrated poster here is actually attending Ing Rossi’s concert in Zurich:

    “By combining data from both sound and vision European POP researchers have developed technology that could facilitate robotic understanding and responses to human behavior…”

    An astonishing likeness don’t ya think???

    IGZ-2013 Resistance Was Futile!

  10. Kapytanhook

    September 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    They just showed a power-point presentation where they said the eCat uses cartridges

    To demonstrate cartridges they showed a picture of a HP printer cartridge 😛 If anyone missed this presentation. That alone should make it clear to you what this is.

    All they have to say is “This has potential for: xxx”

    It’s unlimited free energy of course it has potential.

    Yet they refuse to show anything even resembling proof so far.

    • dsm

      September 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm

      LOL !
      Was an HP rep present to endorse the eCat 🙂


  11. Bill Stedaso

    September 8, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    It is difficult to hear

    Thank you


  12. Al Potenza

    September 8, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    Jerky picture, incomprehensible highly clipped and distorted sound. Good job, Rossi. Obviously the best technology money can buy. I can’t even tell what language it is.

  13. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    My grandmother would be more entertaining – and she’s been dead for the better part of a year.

    • CuriousChris

      September 10, 2012 at 12:13 am

      I am sorry to hear that on so many levels.

  14. Dale G. Basgall

    September 8, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    The auto commercial came in real good.

    • Al Potenza

      September 8, 2012 at 6:20 pm

      Yes. I suspect the problem is on Rossi’s end of the audio/video stream. Maybe he had it put together by the same 90 year old retired plumber who made the original copper ecats.

  15. GreenWin

    September 8, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    The arrival of proof that Popee IS a robot has prompted a difficult moral question:

    Should Popee be brought to the People’s Tribunal without benefit of human legal counsel? Or should he be allowed to bow and scrape using his own NPD-afflicted mechanical brain?? Either way as you can see from the pictures POPee is not very attractive. This could be deleterious to his TV-Q.

    Oh well… We’ll leave you with this erudite bit of ecatnews dialog:

    A: “[You] become abusive, condescending and irrational when I don’t respond in the way you want me to.”

    B: “Please just crawl off into your cosy nest of bats…”

    IGZ-2013 Resistance Was Futile

    • Al Potenza

      September 8, 2012 at 6:45 pm

      Do you ever do anything but troll?

      • GreenWin

        September 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm

        Aw, come on Al, it’s actual verbatim dialog from your favorite web site!!

    • CuriousChris

      September 10, 2012 at 12:15 am

      Does it shame you that a robotic head makes more cogent arguments than your ‘learned’ head can recite 😉

  16. Dale G. Basgall

    September 8, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    25 minutes to go and Mr. Rossi will tell us all about the e-cat.

  17. JNewman

    September 8, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    Is anybody trying to watch this thing? All I am seeing is a 2-minute loop of (apparently) Uta Stechi’s talk.

    • Jami

      September 8, 2012 at 7:09 pm

      Yeah… looks like they’re showing “edited highlights” during dinner break. Anyway – the loop should give you a decent idea about what you missed so far. 😉

      • JNewman

        September 8, 2012 at 7:26 pm

        I gather than understanding German doesn’t enhance the experience all that much…

  18. Al Potenza

    September 8, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    I’m *trying* to watch while doing some other things. But no luck.

    Rossi is supposed to speak about now or a bit later. They start a session at 8PM local time. Not too many sessions start that late in the US that I know of.

    And they’re late or the stream is not working.

  19. GreenWin

    September 8, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Poisonally, I found THIS to be a better link for posters here:

  20. Mahron - A4 B2

    September 8, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    Go home folks. It’s over.

  21. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Who is the fat guy now on stage, what language does he speak on what is he going on about? I missed the introduction (if there was one). He doesn’t look nor sound like somebody you’d call “Magnus Holm”.

  22. Bernie Koppenhofer

    September 8, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    We need an interpreter!!!!!

  23. JNewman

    September 8, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    According to the schedule, we have Rossi giving a talk called “Parameters of the automatized E-Cat control system”. Apparently our chunky friend is giving the talk instead. Riveting stuff, though.

    • admin

      September 8, 2012 at 8:02 pm

      No, JN.

      Test results of the 600 degree E-Cat, report from an impartial testing company


      • Al Potenza

        September 8, 2012 at 8:04 pm

        But we did not hear any of those thus far, did we? Or did we?

    • Shane D.

      September 8, 2012 at 8:07 pm

      According to the ecatworld posters the “chunky guy” is Fabiani… one of Rossis’ engineers.

      Apparently there was also a mix-up and Fabiani was mis-identified as one of those “bodyguards”. Who knows, maybe he does both -bodyguard by night and engineer by day.

      Newman, I can’t understand anything due audio quality. Are you being sarcastic, or is there something truly interesting being said, and understood by you?

      • JNewman

        September 8, 2012 at 8:15 pm

        Sorry, Shane. Didn’t mean to confuse you. I could make out most of the audio and, no, it was not interesting at all.

  24. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    So this is was the engineer “designing” all the sophisticated control stuff for a nuclear fusion reactor in Miami. Wonder how he could gather so much weight – he couldn’t even order a burger – let alone buy a cable at radio shack.

    Anyway – climax time. The master speaks.

  25. Dale G. Basgall

    September 8, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    There is no way Mr. Rossi is a scammer this is in an entirely different catergory, we need to name it.

    Oh geeze, I remember my display satelite in 5th grade and setting in the hallway looking at it every day. Wow what the reflection of a memmory does to a person, just like LENR- Rossi and others.

    • Al Potenza

      September 8, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      Oh, he’s a scammer alright. No names of testers, no name of universities or professors. WHAT a scammer.

    • John Milstone

      September 8, 2012 at 8:21 pm

      There is no way Mr. Rossi is a scammer this is in an entirely different catergory, we need to name it.

      Why not, Dale?

      HERE is Carl Tilley at a shareholder’s meeting, telling his investors that General Electric had offered him, sight unseen, $2 Billion for his fraudulent “technology”.

  26. JNewman

    September 8, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Well, what a surprise! Rossi is presenting results of a “new product” that is not ready for commercialization and is going to present the results of testing by “independent parties” who are university professors and people from “the military environment”. Their identities are… wait for it… secret.

    He also says that SGS in Switzerland has certified the ecat (which one?) as “safe”. They have not certified anything else about it. He stressed that point. He says other certifications will happen later.

    Ok fans. You can begin celebrating all this momentous news.

    • JNewman

      September 8, 2012 at 8:20 pm

      For those struggling with the audio, Rossi also announced name of the U Bologna professor who measured the (lack of ) radiation exterior to the ecat. Sorry, but I didn’t catch the name. Perhaps I will play back the audio and try to figure it out. Apparently this lack of detected radiation was key to getting the SGS safety certification.

      For those who like to jump to conclusions, this measurement shows that the ecat (whatever it is), does not radiate.

      • Methusela

        September 8, 2012 at 8:21 pm

        Same guy who tested it previously along with Levi.

        • Methusela

          September 8, 2012 at 8:27 pm

          David Bianchini

          • Al Potenza

            September 8, 2012 at 8:41 pm

            He’s a student. Is that the best Rossi can do? But someone should interview him and ask for the details of the famous test.

            Isn’t Bianchini the genius who decided to use an air conditioning instrument to measure the dryness of live steam? That was part of early Rossi nonsensical demos using obviously wet steam and pretending it was dry. What a moron.

          • Methusela

            September 8, 2012 at 9:02 pm

            No, Dr Bianchini concentrated on radiation detection.

          • Al Potenza

            September 8, 2012 at 9:17 pm

            You’re right for once, Meth. It was Galantini who screwed up the wet steam measurement. Sorry about that.

            If it was Bianchini, he probably has so little experienced, he got snowed by Rossi just like Kullander and Essen and Lewan did.

          • Methusela

            September 8, 2012 at 9:26 pm

            Interesting perspective Al.

            Nasty and wrong, as usual.

            Not sure why you question everyone else’s competence.

            That’s some superiority complex you’ve got there!

      • John Milstone

        September 8, 2012 at 8:32 pm

        So… they evade the questions about isotopic data, and they present supposedly independent testing that shows (surprise!) no signs of nuclear processes going on.

        It sounds like he’s making the skeptic’s case for us.

        • Shane D.

          September 8, 2012 at 8:47 pm

          Thats the hot-cat, but in certification SGS also would have checked radioactve emissions on the regular ecat that the 1MW is composed of… wouldn’t you think?

          • John Milstone

            September 8, 2012 at 8:54 pm

            They will only test what they and Rossi agreed to test. And (assuming this is true), they apparently found no signs of radiation. That’s not evidence of a LENR reaction, no matter how the True Believers want to spin it.

            Remember, Rossi claimed that it was gamma rays that caused the E-Cat to generate heat. He also claimed that the results were significant transmutation of Nickel into Copper (with non-natural isotopic ratios, according to the paper he and Focardi “published”).

            Everything we’ve heard so far contradict those earlier claims.

  27. Jami

    September 8, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    JN was faster – I said almost the exact same thing.

  28. Jonathan

    September 8, 2012 at 8:23 pm

    Wow, my predictions came true. Such a joke.

    • Shane D.

      September 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      Doesn’t seem much a joke when he announces certification of the 1MW plant. Even names SGS. That seems quite significant.

      Starting to name some names regarding his “hot-cat” also. Thats important. And Bianchini is from UOB… so there goes another skeptics argument that Rossi lied about a Bologna connection. There was.

      • John Milstone

        September 8, 2012 at 8:48 pm

        Assuming the statements about SGS are true, they only confirmed that there is no signs of nuclear reactions.

        And, the comments about no connection to UniBo is based on statements by UniBo that there was no connection. The most recent UniBo statement was within the last few weeks. So, no, this doesn’t prove a connection between Rossi and UniBo.

        • JNewman

          September 8, 2012 at 9:02 pm

          I think I heard somebody earlier at the event talking about how there is no radiation involved in ecat operation. Only transmutation. This is truly a new frontier of physics. The claim is that an atomic nucleus changes its configuration and emits… wait for it… heat. Heat in what form? Does the nucleus emit infrared radiation? I don’t think the math works on that. I think I liked this story better when some sort of mysterious absorption swallowed the gammas and other emissions. I guess now we are in the realm of “and then magic happened”. Great stuff.

      • dsm

        September 8, 2012 at 10:08 pm

        Sahne D
        Shane said ” so there goes another skeptics argument that Rossi lied about a Bologna connection. ”
        Shane I don’t recall anyone here ‘lying’ about a UniBol connection ? – I do recall people saying (and a thread started by admin here) that UniBol said they were not performing any ‘validation’ of an eCat for Rossi.
        Do you agree there is a big difference between certification & validation ? – which did Rossi claim at the event ?


        • Shane D.

          September 8, 2012 at 10:26 pm


          I didn’t say anyone here “lied”. I said: “there goes another skeptics argument that Rossi lied”. Big difference.

          Many a time I’ve read the list here –proving Rossis’ shady character– about the 1MW not being shipped (true it wasn’t), Rossi claiming NI cooperation (hmm, maybe and maybe no), manufacturing plant in Miami (lie probably), Siemens and the UOB connection.

          Well we have a guy here (Bianchini) that appears to be from the UOB, so we can lay that one to rest.

          • dsm

            September 8, 2012 at 11:38 pm

            Shane D
            I did read what you said – I quoted you verbatim. I recall that Rossi implied that UniBol were doing a validation. Paul Story posted info as a thread that shot that down.



  29. Remacle

    September 8, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Good Job Mr Rossi.

    Just take care before the lobbying of Petrol en Energy.

    I hope your descover will not bought by Petrol or Energy society.

    Why does Energy Societies are not interested by jour invention ?



    • Dale G. Basgall

      September 8, 2012 at 9:20 pm

      Remacle: I also ask that simple question to myself and have yet to come up with a logical answer.

      The mechanics of the process have been gone over and over in documents and what is claimed to work is something any small machine shop is capable of re-producing. So also as the manufactures not getting involved by showing interest, is really hard to understand in light of the reports and claims by the scientists.

  30. Shane D.

    September 8, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    This is SGSs services. Nothing in there about assisting a con artist by only testing what that scammer wants tested:

    Testing: our global network of testing facilities, staffed by knowledgeable and experienced personnel, enable you to reduce risks, shorten time to market and test the quality, safety and performance of your products against relevant health, safety and regulatory standards

    Certification: we enable you to demonstrate that your products, processes, systems or services are compliant with either national or international standards and regulations or customer defined standards, through certification

    Verification: we ensure that products and services comply with global standards and local regulations. Combining global coverage with local knowledge, unrivalled experience and expertise in virtually every industry, SGS covers the entire supply chain from raw materials to final consumption

    • John Milstone

      September 8, 2012 at 9:27 pm

      What’s your point? Assuming the statements tonight are correct, all it proves is that the E-Cat doesn’t produce any measurable radiation.

      Neither does my electric tea kettle. That doesn’t make it a LENR device.

      It’s usually the customer who develops a testing “script”. The certification organization generally doesn’t care what is in that script, but they will only certify those things that are demonstrated by successfully running the script. Rossi apparently emphasized that SGS only certified that there were no signs of externally measurable nuclear radiation under normal operating conditions (again, just like my tea kettle).

      FWIW, my father spent 25 years getting U.L. listings for his clients, and I’ve been involved in getting communications equipment certified (2-way satellite system). So I have some direct experience as well as knowledge of my father’s work.

      • Shane D.

        September 8, 2012 at 9:43 pm


        I was under the impression that consumer product certificators verified performance as advertised, while also certifying that all safety requirements demanded by regulatory guidelines were met… therefore the product has the seal of approval to bring to market?

        From what you and Newman say, that doesn’t appear to be the case. You two say that Rossi probably only had the emissions tested, while I was assuming they (SGS) also validated the performance.

        • dsm

          September 8, 2012 at 11:36 pm

          Shane D posted “I was under the impression that consumer product certificators verified performance as advertised”
          Shane D
          Validation of an eCat is a scientific proof it is what it claims to be.
          Certification is a civil authority process that a device intended for consumer use is safe to use. Certifiers of an eCat are NOT required to validate it is what it claims to be in science terms, just that it works as claimed (switches on & off without danger – can be operated safely, can be maintained safely – i.e. the operation is what it claims to be & is safe)
          I believe you are confused about the difference between validation & certification ?.

    • John Milstone

      September 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm

      Note that, based on a comment above, that Rossi emphasized that they did not receive SGS certification, but only passed a safety subset, and that was apparently limited to certifying that the E-Cat doesn’t spit out nuclear radiation.

      Just like my tea kettle.

  31. Al Potenza

    September 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    This watching the live stream is very boring. I think I’ll leave it alone and stop wasting time. Whatever the Great Man says and shows will be all over the fan sites tomorrow anyway.

  32. Sojourner Soo

    September 8, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    You’re all making fools of yourselves, you know. The thing works. It’s been verified and the 1 MW has been certified by a highly competent company. Accept the facts. All of your comments are those of desperate people trying hard to put a bad spin on this little business conference. You’ve failed…badly. Not Rossi, you have all failed. You all invested too much in your faith that Rossi was a scammer. And to the person who brought up your damned father: Who cares what your father did? Nobody knows or cares about your father and the sources of your alleged “authority” to make pronouncements about something you’ve never even seen. Honestly. Please stop. I feel embarrassed for all of your sakes. Go back to that other place you came from and find your next project. This one is over for you kids, as far as I’m concerned. The writing is on the wall. Read it.

    • jfab

      September 8, 2012 at 9:57 pm

      Calm down now Sojourner, you just sound so desperate, trying to hold on to something that’s already gone. This burlesque “conference” is the last nail in the coffin. We all new somewhere this was a big joke, the only difference today is that it’s now official.

    • Frank Foster

      September 8, 2012 at 10:17 pm

      I agree, the only thing thay can do now is eat crow,and it don’t tast good. Maybe if it is cooked with a ecat it would taste better.That time is just around the corner.
      On another note, I wish the video was clearer and in English.

  33. Sojourner Soo

    September 8, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    jfab: You guys are the burlesque show here. Not this business conference. There is no way possible for you to spin the certification and validation of the 1 MW E-Cat as a scam. So, you all need to go sit in the corner with your dunce caps on. You’ve been at this nonsense for months now. The show’s finally over for you guys. Go home.

    • dsm

      September 8, 2012 at 10:11 pm

      Sojourner Soo,

      I missed anything about it being ‘validated’ who said that ? – where is the link to any ‘validation’ report ?.
      Sorry but I am thinking it is you who may be confused ?.


    • Al Potenza

      September 8, 2012 at 10:21 pm

      Well, Soo, you say the ecat has been certificated and validated and I say it has not. It’s your assertion. How do you prove it?

      (expect to hear the sounds of crickets in the night)

    • GreenWin

      September 9, 2012 at 12:04 am

      Dear Ms. Soo, you will shortly learn that the posters here for the most are either paid flaks or suffering psychological disturbance. For those with legit mental disorders… (you know who they are) we must be tolerant and forgiving. They have a disease.

      For the others, they will resist ever admitting they are already in the corner with foil caps proudly adorning the coneheads.

      Oh, do not ever expect an apology or admission of error – that is not in their program.

      IGZ-2013 Resistance IS Futile

  34. Shane D.

    September 8, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    I believe Frank over at ecatworld will have the the hot-cat report on his site tonight.

    • dsm

      September 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm

      Yes it is there now but it states that it is a partial test as part of a certification process.
      That seems to me it is neither a full ‘certification’ and ‘validation’ doesn’t come into it !.
      But other than that there are some interesting pics but it is exactly what I predicted it would be. A partial certification but not a full certification.
      The device could contain *anything*.

      • Ivan Mohorovicic

        September 8, 2012 at 11:20 pm

        Have you read the report carefully?
        Very conservatively calculated power and energy densities make the device a non-conventional energy source, no matter what is contained inside it.

        • dsm

          September 8, 2012 at 11:31 pm

          I’ll read more of it later today when time permits. But thus far there is nothing about this report that is ‘validation’ of an eCat in scientific terms (there appear to be claims) but there do appear to be aspects related to some certification which is a non-scientic process. (Certification is a civil authority process).

          • Ivan Mohorovicic

            September 8, 2012 at 11:40 pm

            How are direct measurements and calculations performed by the external engineer who signed the document (and university professors who preferred to remain anonymous until the next round of tests will be completed) “claims” ?

            What kind of “scientific validation” are you looking for?

          • Al Potenza

            September 8, 2012 at 11:58 pm

            What is looked for is independent verification by a university, government lab or a reliable institution.

  35. Sojourner Soo

    September 8, 2012 at 10:30 pm

    DSM: I read it at Cobra.

    “From the linked report:

    the most important (I would say historical) is in the last two lines:

    * The “Red Effect” is verified *
    * The Power Source can not be of chemical nature *”

    ** I am assuming that “verified” and “validated” mean the same thing. Certainly, the 1 MW E-Cat has been certified “safe.” I appreciate the hair splitting, but don’t take it to extremes please. It just gets too absurd after a while.

    • dsm

      September 8, 2012 at 10:39 pm

      I read it (on page1) and it states it is a partial certification. (I tried to cut & paste but they made it an image).

      And to you the difference may be splitting hairs but to any scientists the difference is actually a chasm.
      Thanks for posting the links (I tried them but could not find the report ?)
      Cheers DSM

    • Al Potenza

      September 8, 2012 at 10:57 pm

      I see no certification on any of those pages. Just some charts here: which do not reproduce well on my screen and are not attributed to anyone or any organization that I can contact.

      What did I miss?

  36. Sojourner Soo

    September 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    DSM: Please be a man and apologize to me. Nicely.

    • dsm

      September 8, 2012 at 11:26 pm

      ??? What for ?

      Am more than happy to if you point out what for ?

    • Ivy Matt

      September 11, 2012 at 2:27 pm

      I’m not 100% certain what this is about, but I suspect it may be another case of mistaken identity.

      In that case, I readily and willingly apologize. What I said was unnecessarily personal and, at any rate, Thicket had made the same general point more civilly than I in the first comment on the same page.

  37. Ivan Mohorovicic

    September 8, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Better links on E-CatWorld:

    Andrea Rossi asked that I issue this statement along with the reports.

    “This report comes from two separated tests made on the 16th of July and the 7th of August, made by the Certificator and professors from 2 Universities. We are under NDA with both, but I want to make very clear that this is not a final report, because all the measurements have to be repeated many times before reaching the reliability necessary to a product. Therefore all the measurements have to be repeated many times more. We are on the right way to make a very important product, but
    much R&D work has still to be done.”

    • Al Potenza

      September 8, 2012 at 10:59 pm

      Oh wow! More mystery certificaters under NDA. Very convincing. I have similar test reports for unicorns. Or if pressed, I can whip them up on my computer in about an hour.

      PS: the whole purpose of certifying a product is to release the information. Certifying agencies NEVER require NDA’s. It’s just more Rossi bullshit. Freshly steaming and hot bullshit, I admit, but that makes it even more repugnant.

      And the believers just keep eating it up. Yum.

      Where can we find Fabio Penon? Who will interview him anyway? And who is he?

      • JNewman

        September 9, 2012 at 12:15 am

        It only stands to reason. If I was a professor in a university given the chance to be the one who proves the existence of a world-changing new energy technology, I would demand an NDA so that nobody would know that I had done it. Otherwise I would be famous and renowned among scientists and laymen around the world. Yes. That makes perfect sense.

        • Paul

          September 9, 2012 at 1:24 am

          Given that your reputation is on the line, keeping the information private until you have all the facts is better than what happened to F & P.

          Under the circumstances, I would want to make sure that ALL of my ducks were in a row before anybody knew I was involved.

          So, yes, it makes perfect sense.

          • Methusela

            September 9, 2012 at 7:45 am

            Yep, perfect sense, given the amount of scorn here and the attempts to cast doubt about Dr. Bianchini’s ability.

    • Arnie

      September 9, 2012 at 6:17 pm

      I have briefly checked the numbers on the Penon4-1 document: it has so many errors that I can’t believe that it is written by an engineer. See my comment on for some more details.

  38. Al Potenza

    September 8, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Ivan, thanks. OK, so he’s an engineer! So what? Want to bet like Fulvio Fabiani, he works for Rossi? How is this credible independent confirmation of anything?

    • Paul

      September 8, 2012 at 11:47 pm

      It was never meant to be credible independent confirmation of anything.

      But, it is evidence of something.

      If it is a scam, now the courts have another name to add to the lineup.

      If it is not a scam, then we have another knowledgeable person who has performed tests on a working ecat.

      So, one way or the other, it is evidence of something.

      • Al Potenza

        September 8, 2012 at 11:58 pm

        I don’t think the other participants would get to court. They probably did exactly what Rossi set up for them, mismeasurement, fudged methods, setup instruments, or whatever scheme Rossi set up was probably not theirs. Anyway, I doubt they got rich. If they’re Rossi partners in crime, sure. But it’s unlikely.

        Evidence of something? Yeah. More of the same. If Rossi had something, by now he’d have proved it. He is following the classical scammer route– ever escalating claims with a big smokescreen of crap and no proof.

        • Paul

          September 9, 2012 at 12:39 am

          If Rossi had something, by now he’d have proved it.

          In other words, because Rossi has not proven his ecats are real, then he must be a fraud and he must be a fraud because he has not proven that they are real.

          At least there is a pattern to your logic.

  39. GreenWin

    September 8, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    He he… just watching the sputter and fluster from the pathos here is worth the over-priced popcorn!!

    The most irksome statement has to be 2nd hypothesis Energy Density – ((3.66-1.28)/0.02038 x 6.48 hrs.= 758 kWh/kg!!! Eeek!

    And GERK!! “The dosimetry measurement is not dissimilar from the ambient and instrumental background within the instrument’s sensitivity, both in average and peak values.” Zero gamma above bg??? Double Eeek!

    IGZ-2013 Resistance WAS Futile

    • JNewman

      September 9, 2012 at 12:10 am

      Gerk! No radiation of any kind. Why that proves this is a nuclear reaction. Yeah. That’s the ticket.

      • GreenWin

        September 9, 2012 at 12:14 am

        Right JNoman, or those geni at Widom Larson really know how their ‘slow neutrons’ shield gamma.

  40. Knoert

    September 9, 2012 at 12:36 am

    What a pity – and a shame – that some people on this blog, who clearly display an above average intellect and also seem to be well educated, can’t stop rubbishing a process which wasn’t taught on their respective high schools. Launching personal attacks on scientists, engineers or anybody else for that matter who are actually trying to understand this process and make their hands dirty is even more disturbing. The arrogance and short sightedness of you is mind-blowing. Have you ever wondered what would’ve happened to you if you were caught with an i-phone by the NSA on your way to Woodstock in 1969? Even without a cell connection. Take an (educated) guess. What a waste of my tax dollars you’ve all been.

    • CuriousChris

      September 10, 2012 at 1:10 am

      Actually Knoert it was taught. its called physics, and most decent schools teach it.

      The part they teach is what happens how to replicate it and how to verify your experiments accounting for outliers and experimental errors.

      So far everything Rossi has said and done sits in outliers and experimental errors. e.g. wet steam

  41. spacegoat

    September 9, 2012 at 2:32 am

    Cynical unbalanced hyper intellectual unscientific babbling, for almost two years.

    Where will they go now the game appears to be up?

    • GreenWin

      September 9, 2012 at 3:36 am

      spacegoat, you have maintained a remarkable cool throughout the battle. I was impressed by your repost of the PESN Cold Fusion Suppression commentary (Jan 14, 2012.) And in your 100% confidence in LENR, and 75% confidence in DGT.

      Where will the mercenaries go?? Anywhere there is a powerful cartel looking to defend their lies and corruption. That’s what mercenaries do: Deny, Delay, Defend (I read the manual :))

  42. The Q.

    September 9, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Pessimism is a “mental condition”, where the mind is closed to new possibilities, and those that suffer from it exhibit a fear that the dominant controlling paradigm of wrong.

    Optimism is the “drive” that creates future possibilities and realities and where the mind is open and there is no fear of being wrong.

    Fortunately Optimists outnumber Pessimists.

    Everything that you see today was built by the Optimists.

    If it were controlled by the Pessimists we would all still be living in caves.

    Pessimists….Give Rossi & Co a chance, allow this event to play out and keep an open mind and remember that maybe you don’t have all the relevant information or even the mental capacity to understand all the processes involved and that there is much more to this than what has been so far disclosed to the public.

    No Fear.

    The Q.

  43. GreenWin

    September 9, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    @The Q… You make excellent points. Here’s another POV: Life is but a poor player…

    The now-absurd script being staged here is losing momentum faster than e-cat COP. Why? Because even simple pattern recognition indicates disingenuous actions in both these camps. The pessimists are scared they’ll lose their fiefdoms. The “optimists” are hobbled by martian-like condescension.

    The Christo running the show has miscalculated, and effed up an excellent opportunity to uplift. Not surprising given the bilious cynicism in this game. And the abduction of innocence.

    Don’t miss IGZ-2013 A Human Experience.