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University of Bologna E-Cat Test

August 11, 2012

Disinclined to repeat hearsay without substantiation, I pause before posting the following from Andrea Rossi’s blog. In it, he tells us that the ‘leaking’ of the so-called hot-cat details by the person known as, ‘cures’ violated an NDA. However, in saying this he is giving credence to the leak – assuming it was not a deliberate plant by the company. He not only ‘confirms’ the referenced July 16th tests but adds that the University of Bologna will repeat these tests by mid-October 2012.

We have been in a similar place before, when AR told us that the University of Bologna would have access and perform independent tests under commercial contract. This arrangement was confirmed by the University but the contract apparently died when Rossi failed to follow through with payment.

I personally give the eCat a lot of slack because – despite accusations that he has shown nothing -  the inventor has performed a series of up-close demos that would be near suicidal for any scammer to perform never mind repeat multiple times. Never independent and replete with possible paths to faking it, we cannot conclude anything except to be intrigued that those close to the show (Levi, Focardi etc) continue to back him. It is that combination coupled with the parallel rise of the LENR star that makes this show worth watching.

Such optimism was strained through a series of actions which mostly boil down to misdirection on AR’s part (some may call them lies) the continued obsession for secrecy (while constantly making claims on his blog and the ever-escalating nature of these claims) and the receding timeline for the great reveal that never seems to get any closer.

While I agree with many sceptics that such behavior mirrors that seen in many scams of the past, worry that it could be fake is not the same as it being so. We cannot judge AR’s actions as fraudulent based on our frustration. If the eCat is real, it only exists through the extraordinary actions of an extraordinary man riding a tiger set to eat him at any moment. There are many examples of past inventors who dare do things differently, achieve the impossible and then confuse us by acting in ways we do not understand.

This is why I urge caution but hold onto a crumb of hope. Today’s post by AR is significant. It is the first time since last year he has made such a claim and tagged it to a specific time and to a specific organization that we can verify when the time comes. For me, at least, Andrea Rossi has just pegged an approximate date on this subject stepping forward or crashing and burning in the eyes of the public. I continue to hope, against mounting concern, that we are simply dealing with a genius we do not understand rather than a clever trickster laughing behind the mask he wears so well. For some reason, my gut is telling me to pay attention – that we are witness to something truly important. A good scientist distrusts anything but solid data and we would all do well to distrust our tendency to believe everything we read and hear just because we want to. It is in that spirit that I feel responsible to report with a healthy tone of scepticism even as the human tug of hope pulls the other way.

  • Andrea Rossi

    INFORMATION:
    AFTER THE LEAKAGE MADE BY AN INSIDER WITH THE THE NICKNAME “CURES” REGARDING THE TESTS COMPLETED ON JULY 16TH, WHICH HAD TO REMAIN UNDER NDA, I HAVE TO INFORM THAT:
    THE TEST MADE ON JULY 16TH WILL BE REPEATED OFFICIALLY WITHIN THE HALF OF OCTOBER 2012 BY THE UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA AND THE RESULTS WILL BE PUBLISHED BY THE SAME UNIVERSITY.
    ANDREA ROSSI

[With thanks to Akira Shirakawa on Vortex where you can find a translation of the Cores 'leak']

 

 

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161 Responses to University of Bologna E-Cat Test

  1. Jami Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    “For me, at least, Andrea Rossi has just pegged an approximate date on this subject stepping forward or crashing and burning in the eyes of the public.”

    Keep that in mind when writing your first November post.

    • Ivan Mohorovicic Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 1:53 pm

      Please allow some wiggle room for the University of Bologna to write a half-decent testing report, in case you’re planning to flood ecatnews with negative comments on November 1st if no report will be shown by that date.

      • Jami Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 2:08 pm

        Oh, certainly. No sweat. Scientists take their time, sometimes. And patience is a virtue. But I can’t help wondering how far, for example, Kullander got with anaysing the e-cat ashes from last year – or was it the year before that? Maybe he just can’t find a pencil… I’m losing the darn things all the time, too.

    • John Milstone Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm

      Are we sure this isn’t just a left-over message from last year?

    • Methusela Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm

      I predict that the forthcoming positive results from the University of Bologna will have NO positive effect on Milstone, Potenza and Jami.

      Other than that they’ll just stop posting.

    • justin Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm

      the longer this goes on the more people starve to death. I see no hero in any human not even Rossi after a hypothetic success. post-poning vital technology for money.

      its like the central banks, a swiss family gets caught virtually printing billions in forex from inside knowledge because their daddy works and the SNB. can you imagine that? being an infinitaire? letting people die.

      money is a god damn occult

  2. Bettingman Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    Well, it should be easy for Rossi to get the University of Bologna to confirm this. In case they do it is a good excuse not to mention Rossi again until half October. In case they don’t it is a good excuse to never mention Rossi ever at all.

  3. Methusela Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Would be nice if the Italian ‘sceptics’ ‘allow’ the test to go ahead.

    Bet they are right now actively trying to prevent it.

    Why?

    Same reasons Potenza, Milstone, Jami, and JNewman haunt this site: fear.

    • GreenWin Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      There is something to say for fear Methusela. Without it, Newman, jamme, et Al will never out-swim the IGZ sharks!! FEAR is a great motivator for the skeptopath. We encourage its growth:)

    • Bettingman Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm

      Methusela, what are you talking about? Do you have a link to this part of the Story?

      • Methusela Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 11:04 pm

        Do read 22passi. Talk to Daniele Passerini. Italian academic sceptics are trying to stamp out research on LENR.

    • JNewman Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm

      Astounding insight. Personally, I am terrified that somebody will discover a nearly-limitless and nearly-free source of energy. That would be a terrible thing. I desperately want to continue to enrich oil companies and if I can screw up the environment at the same time, all the better. I am so fearful that this could change that I post things on an obscure blog. I’m a real man of action.

      Some times it is difficult to decide what is the greatest indication of stupidity on the part of some people: believing anything anyone says if it suits their wishes or ascribing motives to other people that make absolutely no sense. I guess it doesn’t much matter. It is very difficult to be an expert in multiple things but it is very easy to be stupid in multiple ways.

      • Methusela Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 11:14 pm

        I’m always pleased when you reply to my posts :)

        Your use of English language syntax is exemplary and a joy to read!

    • Stephen Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 4:39 pm

      Methuselah, surely you meant to write “fear AND amusement”, right?

  4. daniel maris Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    It’s an interesting development and I pretty much agree with the assessment in the post. Definitely one to watch.

    However,I think we will be hearing all more about E cat before Mid October.

    I definitely get the impression that Rossi has increased the information flow in response to other LENR developments.

  5. Ransompw Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    With Rossi, I will believe it when it happens, not before.

  6. Jami Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    “fear”

    Fear – from what? IF the e-cat works (I don’t see how it possibly could – but what the heck), the world will change so much for the better in such a short time that nothing else will matter. We’ll be dancing in the streets and have a great party and, yes, I’ll have been wrong. Happened before and certainly wouldn’t have been the last time. So?

  7. Harry Perini Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Andrea Rossi will triumph.
    This will shut up the naysayers.

    Warm regards a tutti.

    • Ivy Matt Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 4:07 pm

      Rossi says he’ll finally allow the University of Bologna to verify the E-Cat. Isn’t that what skeptics have been asking for all along?

      • Bettingman Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm

        that he is saying it or that it will actually happen?

        • Ivy Matt Reply

          August 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm

          That it will actually happen, of course.

      • John Milstone Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm

        Rossi says he’ll finally allow the University of Bologna to verify the E-Cat.

        He lied about this last year. Why shouldn’t we conclude that he’s lying about it again?

        • Veblin Reply

          August 11, 2012 at 5:21 pm

          You say he lied. I say his plans changed.

          For LENR, a multiyear university study of elements, isotopes and theory would be a great thing. For someone who believes they have a product and who wants to deliver it in the shortest time it is a waste of time.

          All it needs is a simple test. Energy in vs. energy out. You like the rest of us will just have to wait and wonder if it will happen and what the results will be.

          I assume that you will spend your time like always snipping about your ability to predict what will happen in the future because you are convinced that to have seen something similar in the past.

          • Ivy Matt

            August 13, 2012 at 12:36 pm

            Why would it be a waste of Rossi’s time if the University of Bologna is going to be the one doing the testing?

        • John Milstone Reply

          August 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm

          You say he lied. I say his plans changed.

          Throughout the first half of 2011, Rossi claimed that he had already delivered an E-Cat to UniBo, and that they were already conducting independent testing.

          That was a lie.

          • Al Potenza

            August 11, 2012 at 7:34 pm

            Rossi also reported tests with the University of Uppsala. Another lie. His reported work with NI was exaggerated into lies. NI never made control systems or worked on control systems with Rossi like he claimed.

            Now he’s talking about Siemens. Probably yet another lie.

  8. MPBrunelli Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    The latest information would indicate LENR has emphatically achieved recognition. That’s the triumph, with more to come.

    • JNewman Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 4:41 pm

      Just out of curiosity, which latest information and recognition by whom? Or are those inappropriate questions?

  9. Frank Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Can someone give me a reasonable explanation why the so called 16th July test is under NDA ?
    Why to wait till October ?

    • Al Potenza Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 5:26 pm

      It’s because snakes, clowns, and gorillas (and probable bears and alligators as well) are all out to get Rossi’s ecat and eat it.

      • Frank Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 5:57 pm

        Oh, I see! ;-)
        Actually I thought he might want to distract from earlier announcements months ago where he talked weeks till a report gets release.
        Just one example ( there are more ones as you can read yourself here http://rossilivecat.com/all.html )

        Andrea Rossi
        June 16th, 2012 at 2:42 AM
        Dear Sterling Allan, Hank Mills:
        I will send to PESN the report of the official tests we are making on the high temperature reactors as soon as we will have completed the job.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

    • Veblin Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 6:02 pm

      You must not know how business currently works if you don’t understand why they use NDA’s. Of course people who attend the Dick Smith school of business don’t believe in NDA’s.

      The independent test in October was probably scheduled in October because that was when the independent testers could do their independent test. Would you want independent testers to work any other way.

      • Al Potenza Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 6:08 pm

        Are you suggesting that the most important invention of the century has to wait three more months because scientists have more important things to do before testing? If so, that’s pretty dumb!

        As for the need for an NDA to test, that’s silly. If the test is conducted as a black box test in which the testers can’t open the reactor, what would an NDA be used to protect? Long ago, someone raised the issue of a spectrometer being used to “see” what’s inside the ecat. That won’t work but even if it did, just have the testers sign an agreement that they won’t use a spectrometer. There is no need whatsoever for an NDA. Note that Rossi never required an NDA for any of his prior public demos. Why now?

      • Frank Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 7:44 pm

        Maybe I didn’t express myself clear enough:
        I understand that, if Rossi hires some staff or 3rd party for the test of ‘his’ e-cat, this people have to sign NDAs.
        But why should Rossi be bound on a NDA and not just release the test report?
        You may argue now that he might have obligations to his licenses – but I think that all doesn’t make sense.

  10. Al Potenza Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    “Please allow some wiggle room for the University of Bologna to write a half-decent testing report, in case you’re planning to flood ecatnews with negative comments on November 1st if no report will be shown by that date.”
    -
    It doesn’t take any time to acknowledge that there is an agreement between the university and Rossi. It doesn’t require a delay to announce that a test has or has not been performed independently. The university has made such prompt statements before and all such statements made a liar out of Rossi.

    • Veblin Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 5:41 pm

      Since you and Milstone seem to be both using the same talking points memo today, I think I should point out that he already used talking point #1 about 54 minutes before you got to it.

      Maybe if you were to go from the bottom of the list and work your way up, you would meet him in the middle working his way down.

      • John Milstone Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 10:02 am

        Since you and Milstone seem to be both using the same talking points memo today

        It’s called “the facts”, and I’m not surprised that a True Believer would be unfamiliar with the concept.

  11. DvH Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    the news of the recent days provided some excitement for both the sceptics and the believers.
    the real fun is for the licensees: in addition to the risk to lose the investment because of a incapable licensor they have the chance of having bet on the wrong horse…

    • Frank Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 6:00 pm

      The real fun about license is here:
      http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=759

      • Al Potenza Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 6:49 pm

        Indeed. It’s hilarious. Read the emails towards the end. The individual who is baiting Green is a genius. And it’s quite an elaborate effort too. Congratulations to him.

        The whole thing could be named “the Anatomy of a Scam” and made into a B grade movie.

        (I suggest scrolling down to the end which has the most interesting emails)

  12. Ivan Mohorovicic Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    From Vortex. Interesting, but long video:

    http://goo.gl/b7Mmm (length: 1:08.59)

    NIWEEK 2012 – Cold Fusion – LENR – Panel Discussion – Alternative Energy – Anomalous Heat Effect

    August 7, 2012 – Big Physics panel discussion on cold fusion. Panel members include Moderator Dr. Robert Duncan (Vice Chancellor of Research, Professor of Physics, University of Missouri), Dr. Andrea Aparo – (Ansaldo Energia SpA), Dr. Akito Takahashi (Osaka University), Frank Gordon (Co-chair International Conference on Cold Fusion, US Navy SPAWAR Systems Center), Dr. Michael McKubre (SRI International), Others in the audience speak, including National Instruments President and CEO Dr. James Truchard, Peter Hagelstein and Francesco Celani.

    • Al Potenza Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 6:09 pm

      Thanks but why don’t you point out or transcribe the interesting parts. Do they mention Rossi? Defkalion? Brouillin? Is there anything new in this video?

      • Al Potenza Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 6:29 pm

        I browsed through the very dull video and focused a bit on Xanthoulis starting at time index 0:49:00 appx. This guy is extremely unimpressive and looks “shifty”. On two occasions, he talks about power in units of “kilowatts per hour” which is wrong and ignorant. That is not a unit of power or energy. That’s taught in the most elementary physics class. And this is Defkalion’s CEO? Hilarious. He does this at 0:50:30 and 0:54:00.

        He mentions that they have made final agreements with 6 countries to produce the Hyperion but he doesn’t say which six. Why not? So nobody can check perhaps? Anyway, some countries will agree to almost anything. Pakistan officially endorses an idiotic claim for a car that runs on water.

        This whole mess is simply sad and that the scientists at NI’s meeting didn’t follow up and simply shred Xanthoulis’ nonsense is shameful.

        • Veblin Reply

          August 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm

          So you browsed through a video you didn’t really want to see so you could quickly find little bits skeptic raw meat. You don’t see how that shows your real agenda.

          Scientists talking about LENR?
          We don’t need no stink’n scientists talking about LENR!

          • CuriousChris

            August 12, 2012 at 1:05 pm

            “Scientists talking about LENR?
            We don’t need no stink’n scientists talking about LENR!”

            OMFG

            No Veblin you don’t want any scientists involved with LENR because none of mankinds advances have ever come from scientists. Only shady business men have ever progressed mankind.

            Go back to your swamp. I am sure theres a few gators that need a restlin

        • CuriousChris Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 1:01 pm

          DGT got this from Rossi, its the way he speaks with complete ignorance of the correct terms. Rossi speaks about kilowatt hours per hour as a measure of energy.

          I pointed this out early in the piece and I only discovered how few of the Rossi/DGT followers understood anything about basic energy measurements.

          Yet they feel qualified to discuss transmutation and how contamination is acceptable.

          Knowledge does not fruit from the tree of ignorance.

      • Ivan Mohorovicic Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 7:46 pm

        At about minute 12:20 Andrea Aparo of Ansaldo Energia Spa mentions about Rossi.

        • Al Potenza Reply

          August 11, 2012 at 8:02 pm

          I listened from 0:11:00 to about 0:16:00 and if there was a mention of Rossi or the ecat, I missed it. Do you mind transcribing just that portion please? I don’t think Aparo said anything about Rossi. If anything at all was said about Rossi in the entire discussion, I’d be fascinated to hear it.

          • Frank

            August 11, 2012 at 8:16 pm

            … maybe he is referring to the passage 12:20 before the end of the video ;-)
            (listen to it yourself)

          • Ivan Mohorovicic

            August 11, 2012 at 8:52 pm

            It looks like I had auditory hallucinations; however the passage starting at about 12:20 before the end of the video as Frank noted might surprisingly loosely apply to Rossi as well.

      • Alain Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 8:17 pm

        Eldim have transcipted Xanthoulis on our forum
        http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=381&p=1658#p1653

  13. General Zaroff Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    Methusela said: “Would be nice if the Italian ‘sceptics’ ‘allow’ the test to go ahead. Bet they are right now actively trying to prevent it.”

    Wow, this is a bombshell. I would say you must be paranoid but I know that can’t be the case. So please share more of your insider information with us. Jst as long as it does not put you at risk of being arrested and interrogated by the Illuminati.

    • Methusela Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm

      LOL.

      I carnot, I am being dragged to the Vatican as I attempt to tap this massage on my phone…

  14. buffalo Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    no no no people.if common smoke detectors contains the isotope americium and tungsten welding rods contains thorium(1-3 percent),and watch dials contains tritium i dnt think ther,l b any probz 4 certifications of a nickel-H2 systems on radiations emissions.

    • Al Potenza Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 6:32 pm

      Nonsense as usual from you. In fact, when someone complained to the Florida nuclear regulatory commission that Rossi was making nuclear fusion reactors in their state, they investigated immediately. Of course, Rossi told them he was not making any such reactors in Florida, in contradiction to his earlier claims and proving he is an accomplished and prolific liar.

      But for sure, if anyone wants to market a nuclears device in the US, they won’t be able to do so legally until it is thoroughly tested for radiation and explosion risks.

    • Al Potenza Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 6:32 pm

      Nonsense as usual from you. In fact, when someone complained to the Florida nuclear regulatory commission that Rossi was making nuclear fusion reactors in their state, they investigated immediately. Of course, Rossi told them he was not making any such reactors in Florida, in contradiction to his earlier claims and proving he is an accomplished and prolific liar.

      But for sure, if anyone wants to market a nuclears device in the US, they won’t be able to do so legally until it is thoroughly tested for radiation and explosion risks.

      • daniel maris Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 1:47 am

        Al –

        Yawn…if you can’t tell the difference between prototype and production what can I say?

        • CuriousChris Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 1:08 pm

          Is that how you excuse lies? Rossi was building a factory to produce 1 million ecats. That’s a lot of prototypes.

    • John Milstone Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 10:13 am

      All of those devices you mentioned required significant safety certifications before they could be sold.

      AND, they are all based on well-understood and universally accepted laws of physics.

      LENR has nothing comparable. They are not going to be able to get approval to sell any device until they can explain, using only conventionally accepted physics, how they work. (Possibly a decade or so of extensive testing could replace having a proper theoretical basis, but that’s not a sure thing.)

      Don’t plan on being able to buy a LENR-based device until mainstream physics “catches up” with the experimentation (assuming they really have reached the point where they can exclude fraud and error).

  15. buffalo Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    bill gates is even busy financing research on tritium batteries 4 laptops right now.these bats wil power a laptop for up2 ten years.i wonder if he will get certification,mm,i,d hate to be the kid that busts open one of these

  16. buffalo Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    hey i,m willing 2 drink that water from that brilloun boiler man,thats how safe it is

    • CuriousChris Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 1:09 pm

      Sounds like you already did.

  17. Dale G. Basgall Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    A few comments to admin’s post,

    1)- “This arrangement was confirmed by the University but the contract apparently died when Rossi failed to follow through with payment.”

    Q- If I had invented something as substantial to mankind, as claimed in the original claims of Mr. Rossi which university in the entire world would hold out on a testing procedure for money?

    2 -Q)- The picture of the tube with the sun in it? What in specific about that pic would be in violation of any NDA, nothing is disclosed and nothing in that pic could be testified to as to what the content or IP relates to? Looks like a play toy!

    3)- ” There are many examples of past inventors who dare do things differently, achieve the impossible and then confuse us by acting in ways we do not understand.”

    Comment 3)- Inventors with experience are gifted by seeing how others reject things until they work and then there are many others that have invented the same thing, hence “the bandwagon”. Inventing will turn you into a person that realizes human actions are all geared towards greed-ego- and satisfying their own agendas, that’s just how the cookie crumbles in independent inventing.

    4) – ” I continue to hope, against mounting concern, that we are simply dealing with a genius we do not understand rather than a clever trickster laughing behind the mask he wears so well.”

    4 -Q) When has dishonesty or deception in any form ever produced a good result, and who is the judge of that?

  18. Frank Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    Sometimes it’s even worthwhile to have a look at e-catworld.com ;-)
    The poster with the pseudonym ‘AB’ hints that ‘CURE’ is actually Domenico Fioaravanti.

    Rossi addresses him as Prof. Fioravanti in this post.
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501&cpage=5#comment-56084
    Cures also signed another post as Domenico
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=10#comment-72877

    So, if that is true, then you find more background-info about the ‘client-consultant’ from the 1MW test here:
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=19#comment-41129

    • Ivan Mohorovicic Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 9:32 pm

      This would put the ‘leak’ under a completely different perspective. Wasn’t Domenico Fioravanti the customer of the 1MW plant back in October 2011?

      • Frank Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 9:40 pm

        Domenico Fioravanti was – according to Rossi – the consultant sent by the ‘secret client’ for the 1MW plant acceptance test.
        But if this one is the same like taht one
        http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=19#comment-41281
        then the ‘secret client’ would have assigned an ‘old buddy’ of Rossi for the acceptance test.
        Not a very smart idea, isn’t it?

      • Jami Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm

        I though he was the “NATO Colonel”.

        • John Milstone Reply

          August 11, 2012 at 10:08 pm

          He was the alleged “secret NATO Colonel”, and the guy allegedly working on creating electricity from an E-Cat, and the guy who’s now “leaking” information about the amazing new 1000+ degree E-Cat.

          Very versatile, is Domenico Fioravanti.

  19. GreenWin Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    OK, seriously. If Rossi and ranking government scientists are NOT working together – how do you explain this reaction???

    http://bit.ly/OaWa0B

    Just as we expected. Now the evidence.

    IGZ-2013 Resistance is Futile.

    • John Milstone Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm

      GreenWin, you’re spending way to much time and energy playing a buffoon.

      I’ve asked this several times, but you never answer: Are you the Roger Green who bought the franchise for reselling E-Cats in Australia?

      • Jami Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 8:03 pm

        Can’t be – unless GreenWin is dyslexic on purpose when he plays Roger Green.

  20. Jami Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    “The real fun about license is here:”

    Yep. Really funny. Considering the hoops this Roger Green is prepared to jump through, you’d think he’s trying to sell breast implants to the Vatican. But no – this is supposed to be THE energy revolution for the next millenium and all it takes for the customer is a piddling 500.000 bucks to buy exclusive sales rights for markets supposed to be worth hundreds if not thousands of billions… for the price of an average suburban home or a slightly above average sports car. Either Rossi is completely off his rocker (ok, we already knew that) or he hates the cancer sick children his profits are supposed to help. If there’d be even the slightest hint of evidence that the e-cat works, he could make a very huge fortune with every single one of these licenses. I wonder what the people who thought his refusal to do any independent tests was, in terms of business, a wise decision think about this.

    • Frank Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 8:26 pm

      Either Rossi is completely off his rocker

      And don’t forget, Rossi (as he has stated before)is just the CEO of Leonardo Corporation, and as such liable to the board of advisors and has to follow their instructions (like which supplier for the control system of the e-cat to use)
      So this guys would have to be ‘of the same kind’ …

      • Jami Reply

        August 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm

        You know – somehow these $500k are the most obvious evidence for fraud, yet. It’s like somebody offering you a supposedly real, unstolen and brandnew Rolex for 10 Euros in a shady back alley in Berlin. Even if you believed on first sight that it might be legit, you’d have to be a complete idiot to still think so once you’ve heard the price… and either a scammer yourself or an even bigger idiot if you actually buy it.

        • Frank Reply

          August 11, 2012 at 8:54 pm

          Now you have spoiled my day!
          Are you saying that the Breitling watch which I bought for 20 bucks on my last vacation might be a fake???
          The guy on the street gave me a genuineness certificate – and I can tell you, that one looked much more professional than the acceptance report of the 1MW plant!

          • dsm

            August 12, 2012 at 1:23 am

            Last Rolex I bought (in China) I asked the guy if it was fake – he looked carefully at me for a while and said with a smile – it is 100% genuine, fake. I laughed & I paid him the $US6 for it.
            .
            We at least understood each other :)
            .
            DSM
            (I still have it – I keep it as a souvenir – I wouldn’t try to wear it for long though)

          • daniel maris

            August 12, 2012 at 1:45 am

            The other jokers, well we expect that, but really DSM, that’s beneath you.

          • Frank

            August 12, 2012 at 2:25 am

            Daniel,
            There is always a message/some truth wrapped in this sarcasm and irony.

          • daniel maris

            August 12, 2012 at 2:37 am

            It’s OK, Frank, DSM will know what I mean.

  21. GreenWin Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    “Over the course of time we published 27 papers in peer reviewed journals, and those papers document excess heat, production of soft x-ray, production of hot spots, transmutations… and production of particles, including alpha and neutrons. There are now at least a thousand papers, in peer review journals, not including presentations, [confirming these effects.]” Dr. Frank Gordon, U.S. Navy SPAWAR Systems Center, NI Week 8/8/2012

    Lighten up fellas – you act like your lives depend on this.:) Never has skepto-clownery been so entertaining!! BTW, whose Roger Green?

    IGZ-2013 Resistance is Futile.

    • Al Potenza Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 9:24 pm

      Green is is the Australian who is either a con artist himself, or who got conned by Rossi, or both. He got conned again here so he can’t be very bright:

      http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=759

      (Scroll most of the way down for the juciest emails)

      • daniel maris Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 1:44 am

        Al –

        Yawn. You aren’t engaging with the evidence.

    • Methusela Reply

      August 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm

      @GW

      Don’t bother.

      Let ‘em fly whilst they can.

      Assuming that they believe it’s possible.

  22. Robbie Robertson Reply

    August 11, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Ho hum; Ho hum. We have heard this story so many times before. What is new? Some substance or some keeping to the promise would be very new. I see the temperature of the hot air keeps rising but the substance remains the same.

    • daniel maris Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 1:41 am

      Thanks for your non-contribution not addressing any of the important new evidence. Goodbye.

      • General Zaroff Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 2:51 am

        Actually Daniel, his point is valid. Weren’t we promised independent tests from universities a year ago? The ones that fell through? I think so, but you let that one slide because, well… why did you let that one slide? I guess you are a very forgiving person, so please forgive me for saying that you are constantly blinded by your fetish for LENR.

        • daniel maris Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 3:19 am

          I don’t mind you referencing that General, in fact I would encourage you to reference that and anything else that you feel is relevant. But I don’t accept that the sort of mindless brain-dead post we had from Robbie should be indulged in any way.

  23. Methusela Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 12:12 am

    George Hody / Maryyugo / John Milstone’s Thermonetics company used to be so positive about cold fusion: http://ebookbrowse.com/f199409-pdf-d53414279

    Search for Poppendiek.

    Shame they aren’t in the position that National Instruments are now.

    Also, interesting that Poppendiek could be “Popeye”.

  24. stewart Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 12:31 am

    I believe it will take an apocalypse to expose elite . We sheep do not have the determination to see and prevent their meddling. The E- Cat will not be allowed at the present. Take your medicine ,fluoride etc and die. At this time ,I believe in cold fusion because it resembles a crop formation message .

    • spacegoat Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 4:14 am

      The hyperion/ecat will be implemented with minimal change to society in the West. The economic boost will mean 15% more ipads all round. No change to society or hierarchy.

  25. PersonFromPorlock Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 1:41 am

    I’d just like to note that the ‘HotCat’ could easily be a commercially available ‘tubular furnace’ under that coat of gunk. Complete with cheery glow.

    • daniel maris Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 2:34 am

      PFP – Well anything can be anything in these days of photoshop. A competent scammer could give you any image you desire. But he might not be able to arrange for a UniBo Prof (Focardi) to confirm you are genuine.

      • General Zaroff Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 3:06 am

        This may be too difficult for you to understand, but give it a try: professors are not infallible.

        • daniel maris Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 3:15 am

          OK – I gave it a try and this ticker tape came out of my butt-end:

          “Professors from ancient seats of learning are more reliable than unidentifiable posters on the internet.”

          • CuriousChris

            August 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm

            Exactly the same place most of your comments come from I believe. They are the sort of brain dead posts you are happy to accept.

      • Methusela Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 7:31 am

        A competent scammer who got the colour match for about 700-800 degC correct, according to approximation against the black-body frequency map in one of my books.

        • John Milstone Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 10:23 am

          A competent scammer who got the colour match for about 700-800 degC correct, according to approximation against the black-body frequency map in one of my books.

          No one is denying that the “temperature is correct”.

          First of all, there is no reason to expect a particular temperature. Rossi could have just as easily pulled some other temperature out of his “butt-end” (as you so charmingly put it). So, the “fact” that Rossi accurately described whatever temperature his gadget produces means nothing.

          Secondly, since it’s easy to purchase a furnace that produces exactly what the photo displays, there’s no reason to believe that Rossi has anything other than a commercial device being heated by conventional methods.

  26. zimmer281 Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 1:57 am

    New Article from Hank Mills – Stunning Third Party E-Cat Test Report Details Leaked During NIWeek

    http://pesn.com/2012/08/11/9602159_Stunning_Third_Party_E-Cat_Test_Report_Details_Leaked_During_NIWeek/

  27. dsm Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 2:45 am

    As predicted – the Sept event is the licenee’s convention.
    .
    Andrea Rossi
    August 11th, 2012 at 3:11 PM
    Dear Adam Lepczak:
    We are organizing our world network of licensees. The Zurich convention is the first global meeting of our licencees.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    .
    Everyone attending will have to sign an NDA, Then they will have to sign a second NDA stating they will not admit to anyone they signed the 1st NDA.
    .
    Then when the ‘certifications’ segment of the event occurs a further sheet identifying the attendees needs to be signed by all present before any information is imparted.
    .
    Also the validation segment has been delayed because it is expected to take place the week after the licensee’s event (Andrea apologizes for this but it was out of his control (a pet cat sicked up on the contract)).
    .
    A home e-cat will be on demo at the next licensee’s event scheduled for Oct 2013.
    .
    Also anyone here at ecat-news want to buy a great landmark bridge (near Brooklyn) that can be had for a fantastic deal – I can deal anyone in for a 10% share at 50% of the list price (but you must hurry before the ‘big-boys’ swoop in on this deal). Please email me dsm@ndaworld.nda)
    .
    DSM

    • Frank Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 2:59 am

      At the latest schedule, A. Proia is taken from the list and R. Green is added.

      Previous schedule:
      http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Kongress080912E-e.pdf
      Latest schedule:
      http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Kongress080912M-e.pdf

      • daniel maris Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 3:11 am

        OK…and what is your point (assuming you have one)?

        • Frank Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 3:18 am

          Actually I didn’t want to speculate about it.
          But since you ask: I was wondering if someone got cold feet…. (pure speculation!)

          • daniel maris

            August 12, 2012 at 4:03 am

            You said it – pure speculation…

    • daniel maris Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 3:13 am

      DSM –

      Can you give examples of similar technological developments that haven’t involved NDAs?

      • dsm Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 4:59 am

        Daniel
        .
        Please forgive me I was carried away in a moment of whimsy after reading Gary Wright’s latest list of emails from Roger NDA Green.
        .
        Roger must be (as I am sure Rossi is too) wishing to god their NDAs had been enforced.
        .
        That oversight may cost Green dearly.
        .
        DSM
        http://shutdownrossi.com/?page_id=759

        • Ransompw Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 5:46 am

          DSM:

          Gary is 80% through his long drawn out disclosure and so far he has sip in the way of evidence of a scam. Green seems hopelessly naive as a businessman and I wouldn’t do a Joint Venture with him, but as an expose, what a joke.

          So far the first things posted by Wright were the most interesting, all the emails add almost nothing.

          If Wright’s goal was to prove Rossi was operating a scam, big fail so far.

        • General Zaroff Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 5:58 am

          DSM I am loathe to spend time going through that site to read all the details. Could you just summarize it for me? 250 words or less would be ideal.

          Does this request make me a rotten lazy person? Yes, but that was already a well-known fact. So help me out if you can DSM, and I might forgive you for suggesting my daughters are pole-dancers.

          • Methusela

            August 12, 2012 at 7:34 am

            Your daughters are NOT pole-dancers?

          • dsm

            August 12, 2012 at 7:48 am

            General,
            .
            I am too speechless with incredulity at our committed Rossi fans here that they don’t seem at all perturbed what what Mr Green has been up to in the name of Rossi’s great invention. (I am inclined to accept the validity of the emails).
            .
            The issue for Ransompw is at what point can Rossi claim that his NBF & right hand man, Roger, was acting on his own and at what point Rossi has to (to protect himself) dump Green.
            .
            The heart of the matters though is that all the contracts between Rossi, Green & Green’s intended targets, appear to be with a variant of Leonardo Corp, that owns nothing & has no rights to make any commitments about sales & rights to sell eCats.
            .
            If (as I well suspect) Green is merely doing what his NBF wants then Rossi has cunningly set his NBF up to take the fall.
            .
            I sort of feel like someone watching a plane flying directly into a mountain & the warnings are mostly ignored or just not understood.
            .
            Some seem to argue that the pilot will pull up before it hits, others keep saying the flight path looks totally normal to them, some have been saying ever since the pilot took off that he didn’t actually have a pilot’s license as there is no record of it anywhere & Ransompw keeps saying there is no issue that requires anything more than us all waiting & seeing, as final proof will be only if we see a big bang also, in his humble opinion the co-pilot appears to be the problem, not the pilot.
            .
            DSM :)

          • Ransompw

            August 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm

            DSM:

            What fact disclosed by Green allows you to make the statement that the contracts involved are with an entity that has no rights in the Ecat devices?

    • John Milstone Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 10:27 am

      So Rossi now can’t even demo a residential E-Cat until October 2013!

      I’m sure his enthusiasm will rub off on the chumps who have already bought in to the scam, and they won’t mind that he has nothing to show.

      • dsm Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 12:57 pm

        John

        That bit in my whimsical post was me being sarcastic :) Rossi has made no statement about it :)
        .
        DSM

        • John Milstone Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 1:03 pm

          Oops. My bad.

    • dsm Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 1:35 pm

      ALERT

      Hmmmm, it seems some people failed to recognize my humor on the NDA business (I was quite stunned after reading the Roger Green emails & then posted a parody on NDAs).
      .
      To anyone who took it seriously I apologize but it was harmless & merely playing on how Roger Green failed to enforce the need for an NDA with his potential sub-licensee in Australia.
      .
      But I do say this. Anyone who has read those emails knowns that what Green was and is doing can only be done because he has Rossi behind him. But, I will bet that pretty soon Rossi will disown Roger Green.
      .
      DSM

      • Dick Hertz Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm

        I recognized your humor, and mostly I recognized that you’re not funny.

      • Frank Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 3:31 pm

        I was quite stunned after reading the Roger Green emails

        I can understand that reading through all this e-mails is exhausting.
        But just in case that you now have aquired a taste for reading long e-mail conversation, here are some (Off topic! and some with offending language): http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/

  28. spacegoat Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 4:29 am

    zimmer281
    “New Article from Hank Mills – Stunning Third Party E-Cat Test Report Details Leaked During NIWeek”

    Stunning if true.

    Note: not one “balanced” skeptic can bring himself to express optimism. All we get is excrutiationist scam pummelling in the absence of any real data. No balance whatsoever.

    • dsm Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 7:53 am

      Spacegoat.
      .
      It took me about 5 months of reading Hank Mills reports & posts to conclud that the worst things I ever read that were said about him, written by anyone who had something to say on the matter, were 200% true.
      .
      Hank is escalating his rhetoric and emotion as fast as Rossi is escalating his claims.
      .
      Hand does not have a good track record of backing great inventions. More to the contrary.
      .
      DSM
      .
      Just read all that report & think Hank Mills may soon be rename Hanged Mills (by angry investors)

      • Methusela Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 8:38 am

        Anyone who invests based on stories posted on PESN is an idiot.

        Anyone who invests after doing their own testing is not.

        I don’t think PESN has positive influence on the world of serious investors.

        • John Milstone Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 10:31 am

          I don’t think PESN has positive influence on the world of serious investors.

          The last thing Rossi wants is “serious investors”.

          He’s looking for chumps.

          PESN is a magnet for chumps.

      • Ransompw Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm

        DSM:

        It really took you 5 months? Seems like 5 minutes would have been enough.

        • dsm Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm

          At 1st he just wrote waffly stories on new energy. I wasn’t going to put him down for that, but in recent months he has started writing in a near hysterical style about Rossi & his eCat.
          .

          DSM

    • Dale G. Basgall Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 9:46 am

      space-g your statement, “Note: not one “balanced” skeptic can bring himself to express optimism. All we get is excrutiationist scam pummelling in the absence of any real data. No balance whatsoever.”, indicates the wine and dine stage is past in this re-hash of conversations.

      It’s time to produce, a tangible product and then all the NDA’s will be a moot subject. Frankly the nda’s are bs at this point, no nda can cover information available to the general public or that has been made available for more than one year prior to the filing of a U.S. patent.

      That is a huge skeptical point, and in support of the issue it again does not make sense to require licencees to sign nda’s, why would someone with a real product ready to sell need to have anyone sign nda’s? The product patents should already have been filed if a product actually exists.

      This one issue of nda’s is “smoke on the water” regarding licencees.

      • John Milstone Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 10:33 am

        That is a huge skeptical point, and in support of the issue it again does not make sense to require licencees to sign nda’s, why would someone with a real product ready to sell need to have anyone sign nda’s?

        It serves two purposes: It keeps out the “riff-raff” (that is, those people who would point out all the flaws with Rossi’s claims), and it gives the chumps who invested a sense that they’re involved with something “significant” (otherwise, why bother with NDAs).

        • Dale G. Basgall Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 10:45 am

          Precisely John, and also the fact a patent has been issued in Italy supposedly to Rossi now makes me wonder why the nda’s? Is the new e-cat newer technology so different he now needs a set of nda’s “after” the Italian patent has been issued?

          Man that’s a smoke signal saying even though I filed patents for something earlier we now have serious doubts we can protect any of the claims we have issued valid. And by the way our new e-cat is so different that now we need new disclosure forms.

          • CuriousChris

            August 12, 2012 at 12:47 pm

            What Patent. As far as I am aware Rossi’s patent was ruled invalid. Did he file another one? and if so its far too soon for it to have been accepted these things take ages.

          • dsm

            August 12, 2012 at 1:38 pm

            Rossi already had his 2008 Italian patent approved.
            .
            The issue was his international patent. That had been rejected 2 times. Also Rossi has an application in the US.
            .
            DSM

  29. Dale G. Basgall Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 11:21 am

    After going back to the Defkalion release from NI week 2012, the presentation pdf, I noticed on page 33 that the test before reaction is labled #25 and the after reaction one exhibited is labled #23, that’s odd I wonder why the before reaction wasn’t 23?

    It would seem the #’s would assend into the number developed instead of a number chosen to work back from, that may have been a typo?

    • dsm Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 12:52 pm

      Dale

      Several of us picked up on that & DGT have been told. It will be interesting to see if that pres changes for ICCF-17

      .
      DSM

      • Dick Hertz Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 2:55 pm

        You are being silly. The sample numbering means nothing, but somehow a bunch of nit-pickers on the internet need to obsess about it.

        Here is what I suspect based on that slide. The XRF data was obtained on 7/18/12, the number of samples analyzed by the analyst on that day was at least 25, and the after reaction samples was tested two samples before the pre-reaction sample.

        • dsm Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 10:13 pm

          Dick

          On a topic like this at events like that they need to be 100% spotless. So call it silly that it has been brought up but I know for a fact that DGT have been advised to tidy it up so there is no ambiguity.
          .
          Also did you compare the Ni qtys before & after ?
          .
          DSM

          • Dick Hertz

            August 13, 2012 at 2:19 am

            I am an analytical chemist, I know what XRF data tells you and what it doesn’t tell you. I also know that in this case, the sample number is meaningless.

    • CuriousChris Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm

      Take a look at page 31 of the same powerpoint it shows power in of 143 watt hours and an output of 166 Watt hours (nice software NI) a 20% increase and yet they claim a COP of 22! Power output should be in the range of 3KW hours what happened to the other 2,836Wh?

      • Dick Hertz Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 3:05 pm

        Looks to me like a screen shot of the NI software that they use to monitor the performance of their reactor. It also appears that the screen shot was taken just before lunch on July 31.

        Are you trying to tell me that they were not achieving a COP of 22 at that moment in time? Get on the internet and spread the word!

        • CuriousChris Reply

          August 13, 2012 at 12:37 am

          If you were going to document the results of your testing. would you not use a test that actually reflects what you are claiming? I would.

          But hey if you want believe what they say rather than what they prove then go for it. ones born every minute.

          • Dick Hertz

            August 13, 2012 at 2:27 am

            The purpose of that slide was not to document the COP, but to show the software they use to monitor the performance.
            I know it was hard to figure out, but the hint is in the slide title, where is says Hyperion lab prototype reactor, Monitoring the performance.

  30. Jami Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    “Professors from ancient seats of learning are more reliable than unidentifiable posters on the internet.”

    Stop making that silly argument. Calling upon scientific authority is an exit route firmly closed to LENR believers. That irrelevant pissing match was already lost when Pons switched off his microphone at the press conference back in ’89 – and it got worse for them ever since – not better.

  31. Jami Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    Brand new off Rossi’s dung pile… still warm:

    I was wondering for a time whether he is just crazy or really nervy and bold. No more.

    ———————–
    Andrea Rossi
    August 12th, 2012 at 5:35 AM

    Dear Antonella:
    About the tests: the precise dates will be decided in an agreement that we should reach at the beginning of September: obviously we have to accept their needs.
    About Cures: He has been identified as Domenico Fioravanti, it appears that the data from the test made on July 16th comes from him. If it is true, it is due to an excess of enthusiasm for the results, that have been obtained in a test directed by him and by 6 Professors from two Universities. The data had to remain confidential, but he could not help to talk about this event and the remarkable results.
    He is making these tests as a Consultant of a military Customer of us and now probably he will have problems for the leakages, even if I do not think it has been so important: sooner or later the same data will be published. I knew Ing Fioravanti when he was a Student of the Politecnico di Torino ( the Engineering University of Turin, Italy) because he was making a research for Prof. Cesare Boffa (one of the best Engineering Prof. of the time) regarding the new technologies of Electrostatic Precipitators. It was the year 1976 and even if I was 26 years old, I was at the times considered an expert of the sector, so I gave to Domenico Fioravanti much papers I had wrote and he also sisited the electrostatic precipitators I manufactured in my factory of Caponago (Milan, Italy). The we never met again. After 35 years (!!!) I received an email from him in the blog of the Journal, in which he congratulated for the E-Cat, and for me has been a delighting surprise to hear from him again. I contacted him privately and he explained to me that he was a Colonel Engineer, expert of missiles tests. One year later, when with our Military Customer we had to choose a neutral Consultant for the test of the well known plant of 1 MW, I proposed Fioravanti, whom they knew very well, because he wrrked with NATO, with the Pentagon at the highest levels and always for engineering connected with thermodynamic tests. So we all have been glad to choose him.
    His intellectual integrity and his knowledge of the matter has allowed a job that has been considered highly professional from all the parties involved.
    This is it.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • daniel maris Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 1:17 pm

      Jami –

      Are you saying this Domenico Fioravanti is a complete fiction? Shouldn’t it be easy enough to determine this. Can’t someone get on to the Italian version of “Friends Reunited”?

      • John Milstone Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm

        As I mentioned below (but this is a better place for the post), any professional engineer would be licensed by the government, and would belong to at least one professional organization. It should be easy to find independent confirmation that Domenico Fioravanti is a real person.

        And yet, after almost a year, we still have nothing but “Rossi Says”.

    • dsm Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      Holy sh** batman – that post is actually real (well I just validated it for myself on JoNP & it is there just as Jami has it.
      .
      Rossi has outdone himself.
      .
      Excuse my incredulity, after reading the Roger Green emails then this I am somewhat ‘gob smacked’ :)
      .
      What entertainment !.
      .
      DSM

      • Ransompw Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm

        Almost hard to believe you could make this stuff up.

        • Jami Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm

          It would be, if Rossi had said “the Colonel” was picked by his “military customer” by chance and just happened to be his old buddy from the Petrol Dragon days, when Rossi already was a renowned genius in all kinds of scientific fields – only that nobody outside the DA’s office had ever heard of him. Now though, he says he somehow recommended him to his customer and they just happened to know and trust him because he is already kind of working for them anyway somehow. That is something you can absolutely make up. Being prepared to believe a single word of it is another matter, of course.

      • Frank Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm

        As I have commented earlier: The ‘secret client’ has assigned an ‘old buddy’ of Rossi for the acceptance test. Not a very smart idea, isn’t it?
        http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=19#comment-41281

        Just ‘unbelievable’ … ;-)

        • Francesco CH Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm

          IT is completely normal that a third party validator has the agreeability of BOTH the involved parts.

      • Ransompw Reply

        August 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm

        DSM

        By the way does Rossi win Dick’s prize for identifying Fioravanti? :)

        • John Milstone Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm

          I had the same thought.

          However, we still don’t have any evidence that this person actually exists. All we have (still!) is “Rossi Says”.

          A professional engineer would be licensed by the government, and be a member of at least one professional organization. It should be easy to find an independent reference to Fioravanti.

          And yet, after almost a year, no one has found a shred of evidence that he exists.

          • daniel maris

            August 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm

            I agree it’s v. odd.

        • daniel maris Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 3:25 pm

          TO Ransom

          LOL

        • dsm Reply

          August 12, 2012 at 10:09 pm

          Nup

          DSM

  32. Tony Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    What a joke. Before we get all wet and slide off our chairs let’s ask AR wehere the certs are for this device. The Univeristy of Baloney? Oh yeah, I believe that. AR sends their name out there everytime and everytime they deny any involvement with him. This will be exactly the same. Why wait until October? He has the thing, right? Get it to U-Baloney tomorrow and start working it and making money so you can cure childhood cancer. Remember that?

    Tony2

  33. jetmech Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm

    So. What have we got so far?
    Nothing

    Ecat, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Uh-huh
    Ecat, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again, y’all

    Ecat, huh, good God
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me

    Ohhh, Ecat, I despise
    Because it means destruction
    Of LENR

    Ecat means tears
    To thousands of mothers eyes
    When their sons go to fight
    And lose their lives

    I said, Ecat, huh
    Good God, y’all
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again

    Ecat, whoa, Lord
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me

    Ecat, it ain’t nothing
    But a heartbreaker
    Ecat, friend only to the Skeptic
    Ooooh, Ecat
    It’s an enemy to all mankind
    The point of the Ecat blows my mind
    Ecat has caused unrest
    Within the younger generation
    Induction then destruction
    Who wants LENR to die
    Aaaaah, Ecat-huh
    Good God y’all
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it, say it, say it
    Ecat, huh
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me

    Ecat, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Uh-huh
    Ecat, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again y’all
    Ecat, huh, good God
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me

    Ecat, it ain’t nothing but a heartbreaker
    Ecat, it’s got one friend
    That’s the Skeptic
    Ooooh, ecat, has shattered
    Many a young mans dreams
    Made him disabled, bitter and mean
    Life is much to short and precious
    To spend fighting ecats these days
    The ECat can’t give LENR
    It can only take it away

    Ooooh, The Ecat, huh
    Good God y’all
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again

    Ecat, whoa, Lord
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me

    The Ecat, it ain’t nothing but a heartbreaker
    Ecat, friend only to the Skeptic
    Peace, love and understanding
    Tell me, is there no place for them today
    They say we must fight to keep our freedom
    But Lord knows there’s got to be a better way

    Ooooooh, The Ecat, huh
    Good God y’all
    What is it good for
    You tell me
    Say it, say it, say it, say it
    again
    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

    • Methusela Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm

      *sighs*

    • Stephen Reply

      August 12, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      Brilliant! LOL!

  34. spacegoat Reply

    August 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    DSM and Dale
    “Hank is escalating his rhetoric and emotion as fast as Rossi is escalating his claims.”

    I never read PESN unless there is an interesting link posted on ecatnews. I was merely making a positive comment about the advent of a 1200 C cold fusion device, IF TRUE.

    What we hear on ecatnews is continuous repetitive talk from a minority about the IF FALSE case.

    We all claim to be balanced skeptics but in the absence of data, balance would imply both positive and negative comments. However, though the hard/patho/pseudo skeptics claim to be balanced, their comments are not balanced.

    On ecatnews we have 75% agnostics (balanced skeptics), 10% believers and 15% lenr-atheists.

    1200 C from electrical/gas heat activation of nickel powder + catalyst + hydrogen emitter would be stunning but lenr-atheists never countenance this possibility.

    • jetmech Reply

      August 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm

      Critical thinking is thinking that questions assumptions. It is a way of deciding whether a claim is always true, sometimes true, partly true, or false. Critical thinking can be traced in Western thought to the Socratic method of Ancient Greece and in the East, to the Buddhist kalama sutta and Abhidharma. Critical thinking is an important component of most professions.

      “Critical thinking is the careful, deliberate determination of whether we should accept, reject, or suspend judgment about a claim–and of the degree of confidence with which we accept or reject it”.

  35. ProductionEngineer Reply

    August 13, 2012 at 4:16 am

    Where is the “amazing robot factory” pumping out home ECats?

    That was going to be getting discussed again about October-December period … ? At exactly the same timeframe, instead we get ANOTHER new and amazing ‘discovery’ to distract from the last one that never quite made it?

    Bait and switch. Bait and switch. At least, the show keeps moving along I suppose.

  36. Bernie Koppenhofer Reply

    August 13, 2012 at 4:22 am

    There was previous discussion about the NIWEEK 2012 – Cold Fusion – LENR – Panel Discussion, I found Dr. Robert Duncan’s introduction very informative and convincing. All the discussion on this site about Rossi I think misses the point: The point is LENR is real and has the potential to change our dependence on fossil fuel.

    • jetmech Reply

      August 22, 2012 at 1:52 pm

      Exactly.
      LENR is real and has potential. Ok valid statement.
      This site is called “ecatnews” not “LENR news”.
      I think you are missing the point!
      Rossi says (another trademark endeavour) as in “Rossi says”. He has a device that far outperforms any other device that has been put forward by the LENR community. Rossi claims it works on LENR.
      Rossi has so far has NOT produced any VALID supportable evidence or any Ecat devices. He basically just blogs from a condo in Florida and from time to time makes incredible claims for a device that has yet to be produced. MY point is this why are you making references to LENR to support Rossi?
      When Rossi has not produced any valid evidence he has such a LENR device?
      That is my point. Decouple LENR from Rossi. Let LENR stand alone and let Rossi stand alone.

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