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New Andrea Rossi Interview

March 30, 2012

OilPrice.com has posted a new interview from our enigmatic Italian inventor.

The following comes from James Stafford (thank you, James). The full interview is here.

Some of the questions we asked Mr. Rossi take a look at:

• Why it took so long for him to go public with his discovery. • How the E-Cat will produce energy costing $10/megawatt hour. • When he will release more detailed information on the E-Cat. • Why he believes international media coverage of the E-Cat has been so muted. • His feelings towards critics and the scientific community. • His manufacturing and distribution goals. • How the E-cat will help reduce mankind’s dependency on fossil fuels. • + Many more details on the e-cat, LENR and Rossi himself.

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964 Responses to New Andrea Rossi Interview

  1. LCD

    April 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    Has anybody seen the private email release from Defkalion?

    In summary,

    -experts have tested our stuff, they now have solid unambiguous evidence confirming our technology
    -we expect the energy markets to go crazy when we present our fully functional prototype although we don’t expect an actual impact on oil consumption for a while
    -Our fully functional prototype will be ready July 2012
    -full disclosure of partners in summer of 2012
    -we are ready to sell more licenses
    -we are ready to partner for R&D purposes

    • Mahron - A4 B2

      April 11, 2012 at 2:18 pm

      Houray ! it’s coming !

      They sure have a gift to give us hope at the right time.

    • CuriousChris

      April 11, 2012 at 2:20 pm

      Nope havent seen anything apart from what you wrote. where is your source?

    • C M Edwards 9%

      April 11, 2012 at 2:51 pm

      I’d prefer to hear it from their experts.

    • LCD

      April 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm

      It’s an email to all the people they have had contact with. At this point it’s just “Defkalion says” but it’s from Symeon Tsalikoglou the director of business and marketing.

      Anyways just thought I’d share. Wouldn’t get too excited until somebody confirms something about their tests.

      This is all they say about the third party tests.

      Defkalion has conducted third party tests on its core technology by internationally recognized and reputable private and public organizations from Europe and America. Today, there is solid, unambiguous evidence confirming our technology. We are at the dawn of a new era of clean, inexpensive, limitless renewable energy.

      • LCD

        April 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        I guess they also mention this pre-release will be “released” soon.

        • C M Edwards 9%

          April 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm

          That’s nice of them….

          Modeling DGT’s credibility on testing as an exponetial decay: If they started with a 50% chance on February 24 and hit their halfway mark on February 29, then they are already at 0.1%.

          Further waiting can no longer significantly harm their credibility at this point, because almost all of the damage has been done.

          It will stay that way until they show evidence.

  2. Shane D.

    April 11, 2012 at 4:12 pm

    I had to edit this a bit because of the google translation. The story contains some interesting, yet old, info about Focardis early results of Rossis ecat. Interesting also, yet again, another headliner in LENR (Focardi) no showed at this conference last week:





    Bologna Conference Cold Fusion
    April 11, 2012 Fusionfroide

    Tuesday, April 3, 2012, a hundred people attended a conference on “Cold Nuclear Fusion” in Bologna organized by the Cultural Association “Reno Oltre it.” Le prof. Prof. Sergio Focardi était absent . Sergio Focardi was absent. His speech was to focus on “how to produce energy in large quantities and cheap.”

    In 2007 prof. Focardi, cold fusion researcher since 1989, was contacted by Ing. Andrea Rossi to collaborate on research in this area for a technical application of general circulation: the increase of the nickel surface exposed to hydrogen gas and a secret ingredient that Rossi has added to these two reactive substances would have, in the words of prof. Focardi, to increase significantly the performance of the “heater” on to a value of the ratio between about 200 and energy energy supplied to the reactor through an electric heater.

    Experiments in the years 2008-2009

    Période Mesure ENTREE (kWh) SORTIE (kWh) Facteur Measurement period INPUT (kWh) OUTPUT (kWh) Factor
    28.05.08 A 0,2 83* 415 A 0.2 05/28/08 83 * 415
    11.06.08 A 0,806 165 205 A 11/06/08 165 205 0.806
    02.09.08 A 0,5 80** 160 02.09.08 A 0.5 80 ** 160
    17.02-03.03.09 B 5,1 1006,5 197 B 5.1 197 1006.5 02.17 to 03.03.09
    05.03-26.04.09 B 18,54 3768 203 B 18.54 203 3768 03.05 to 04.26.09
    22.10.09 C 0,018 3,23 179 22/10/09 C 179 0.018 3.23

    Measures to be considered excessive because of the large experimental uncertainty obtained under conditions of low reliability

    He outlined the principles of nuclear reactions of fission and fusion and then synthesized the research on cold fusion and criticism that some researchers show for it.

    Some scientists have attempted to provide theoretical explanations (eg studies of Italian Giuliano Preparata and Japanese Arata) but mostly no one still manages to go beyond the mere statement that something is being happened.

    Focardi who can not reveal all the details because the process in question is still secret and must above all protect by international patent.

    Tests conducted by the duo begin Focardi-Rossi October 16, 2007 when the lead screen went in 20 minutes 17.8 ° C to 90 ° C and remained at that temperature throughout the night and even after two hours the removal of hydrogen. Then came the 2008-2009 tests summarized in the table above until the 2011 that were more publicized. Here, excess heat was noted compared to that provided and it was noted what appears to be most likely the transmutation of nickel copper.

    To finish and answering questions from the public Trentino has raised some broader issues: the slow fusion research in general compared to those of fission; the difficulty of convincing the 50 states or more, who financed with large amounts of hot fusion (cf ITER consortium) to fund cold fusion, retained much simpler and less costly investment; blindness of policy facing a very important general principle for which the solution of difficult problems (aeronautics, space exploration, nuclear reaction control, etc.) is to Outcomes of improved many production processes.

    Flavio Tabanelli stressed that the smelting sector, unlike fission, has not yet achieved the objectives and expected that over the last 40 years of funding cuts were applied in the leading sectors mentioned high which has resulted in financial speculation. Yet funds for research exist. It is imperative to lead the fight against lobbies on all fronts in the name of justice, equality and welfare of the world population …

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fusion-froide.com/&ei=JJuFT8bgJoii8gTO-7C1CA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CGYQ7gEwBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddefkalion%2Bgreen%2Btechnologies%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D960%26bih%3D451%26tbs%3Dqdr:d%26prmd%3Dimvns

    • Ivy Matt

      April 11, 2012 at 5:28 pm

      Focardi who can not reveal all the details because the process in question is still secret and must above all protect by international patent.

      This doesn’t make any sense. A patent is, by its very nature, public knowledge. The only way it makes sense is if they haven’t filed the patent(s) in question yet, and are waiting for a certain opportune moment to file it. Then there’s the excuse I’ve heard that they “can’t” reveal the details because the patent application hasn’t been published yet, but that’s a horribly lame excuse. It’s not like the patent office cares.

      • Peter Roe

        April 11, 2012 at 7:06 pm

        Focardi’s no-show is a great shame. I would rather like to have learned “how to produce energy in large quantities and cheap.”

        Another leading light ‘going dark’?

    • Ivy Matt

      April 11, 2012 at 5:44 pm

      On the other hand, if I’m not mistaken this is the first bit of actual data we have from either Rossi’s or Focardi’s lab notes. I wonder why Focardi hadn’t released this data before. The original can be found here. The data is somewhat better formatted on the original page, I think. It raises the question of why Rossi was able to show a consistent energy gain factor of roughly 150 to 200 during his tests with Focardi, but after the January 2011 demonstration his E-Cat’s performance deteriorated. What happened?

      • Renzo

        April 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm

        What deterioration? With Levi in february he showed right that factor. On the public tests there were people present and Rossi has always said that he did’t push the reaction for safety reasons. It seems reasonable to me

        • Jami

          April 11, 2012 at 9:09 pm

          Your’re joking, of course.

          • Renzo

            April 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm

            No

  3. georgehants

    April 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    I think these things are worth fighting for.

    Flavio Tabanelli
    “It is imperative to lead the fight against lobbies on all fronts in the name of justice, equality and welfare of the world population …”

  4. georgehants

    April 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    50 Top Astronauts, Scientists Sign Letter Slamming NASA For Promoting Man-Made Climate Change Dogma

    Scientists again beginning to standup for themselves and the Truth.

    “…..unproven remarks…..not substantiated…..hundreds of well-known climate scientists…..tens of thousands of other scientists publicly declaring their disbelief…..science is NOT settled…..unbecoming of NASA’s history…..advocacy of an extreme position…..damage to the exemplary reputation of NASA…..even the reputation of science itself…””
    http://www.infowars.com/50-top-astronauts-scientists-engineers-sign-letter-claiming-extremist-giss-is-turning-nasa-into-a-laughing-stock/

    • Peter Roe

      April 11, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      Glaciers would have to have reached latitude 40 before politicians will let go of ‘AGW’ – it’s just too convenient for inventing specious taxes, reducing oil imports, pushing new nuclear, and ‘justifying’ scams like the carbon credits scheme. Even then the glaciers would somehow turn out to be due to CO2.

      • GreenWin

        April 11, 2012 at 11:29 pm

        The “carbon credits” scam make even TeraWatt look like pikers. Something from nothing is exactly what carbon trading is supposed to produce. Compared to the carbon racket, Rossi is carrying a spear at the back of the chorus.

        At least the commercialization of LENR will shut the climate change cartel down.

  5. Al Potenza

    April 11, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Does anyone have the full news release/email from Defkalion that they could post here? (thanks)

    BTW, this message string seems to be seeking to set a record for length.

    Also, does anyone believe Defkalion’s promises?

    They said last year that they were testing reactors that made 25 continuous kilowatts for long periods. They promised in June 2011 that they’d have products and regulatory approval by October. They didn’t. They promised several months ago that they’d release names of testers and test methods and results as they were being done starting early March. They didn’t.

    Is there some reason to believe anything they say?

    • Ransompw

      April 11, 2012 at 7:05 pm

      Al:

      I’ve seen the letter. It is clearly an invitation to do business with Defkalion and so Dick has a legitimate point when he says it could be a measured attempt to draw in some more money without public demonstration of their technology.

      It does however, place a timetable on Public disclosure of a fully functioning prototype, summer 2012. It also seems unlikely based on the letter that money would change hands rapidly as the invitation to Partner on future R & D seems at best vague and very preliminary. It would take more then 60 days to work through details in that regard, at least for anyone with an interest.

      The OEM licensing as in the past is for over 40 million euro’s so the Mom and Pop investor seems shut out of that aspect of this.

      All that being said, is Dick right or will Defkalion really make the world spin this summer with it’s technology? I think certainty is for the foolish, odds are against it but the odds are not 0%.

      • Al Potenza

        April 11, 2012 at 9:17 pm

        Well, does it really place a timetable? Does Defkalion care at all about timetables? What about the time table they set last June when they said they were testing “dozens” of 25 kW reactors which they said worked perfectly and that they would reveal “Q4 2011”? What about the certification by Greek authorities? What about the factory they were building? What about their recent forum posts regarding revealing the testers’ identities and recent test results?

        Not a single item they promised has been fulfilled! Why would anyone believe their time table now?

        Much of previous belief in Defkalion was based on Rossi having the goods. But Rossi has shown nothing since October and some would say he showed nothing then!

        So again, why should anyone trust Defkalion’s current time table and the related claims?

        • Ransompw

          April 11, 2012 at 9:36 pm

          Al:

          It depends on what you mean by trust. I certainly don’t trust what they say given the track record. But it does provide another means to evaluate the accuracy of what they are saying. At least I can say when the summer passes and NO protype is publically displayed, “I expect even less then I did before.”

          If you plan on giving them money, their past misses are important. If you are getting your hope up, I think your point has merit. If however you are just watching this drama for the bizarre entertainment it provides, I can’t understand your point.

          If you want to lay odds, well now you make sense. I already said the odds are much less then before because of their prior actions, still not 0%. But now we have another thing to measure performance by, I am willing to wait and watch.

        • dsm

          April 11, 2012 at 10:11 pm

          Al

          With Defkalion we get back to how a company with no scientific credentials other than a mission to sell home heaters with Rossi eCat generators as the core, could go from not even existing prior to Dec 2010, to producing the world’s most revolutionary new energy source in between their falling out with Rossi (mid 2011) and Oct 2011.
          .
          They are claiming to have re-invented the history of energy in a few months. Afain, with no prior research background.
          .
          Labs in countries all over the world can’t even demo 1KW of LENR let alone what Defkalion claim.
          .
          Anyone with a decent logical thinking process would have to say that if Defkalion can produce a Piantelli copy device that is the best there is, inside 3 months or so, then anyone with a multiple of Defkalion’s LENR experience could go down the same path and we should see Piantelli Ni+H based LENR devices popping up like mushrooms, but thus far we are not seeing any credible org stepping forward and saying Piantelli’s Ni+H process can be cloned – but we have seen Rossi make the claim.
          .
          To believe that Defkalion can do this and no one else can seems to me to be the ultimate denial by people so besotted with the dream, that they no longer grasp energy realities and drink Defkalion’s kool-aid with adoring smiles on their dreamy countenances. And they just keep begging for more !!!.
          .
          DSM

          • Ransompw

            April 11, 2012 at 10:44 pm

            Well it really depends on whether Rossi has anything. They were after all working with him for a time. I think treating Defkalion like they popped out of nowhere is a little inaccurate. Also, seeing one of these that really worked at a commercial level would be a very strong motivator.

            And I am not saying that is the case simply that speculating at the other end of things could also be a mistake.

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 12:28 am

            Ransompw

            Can you offer any factual info (backed by proof links) that Defkalion had any history of LENR development prior to mid 2011 other than what Prof Stremmenos was doing up to mid 2011 ?.
            .
            I don’t believe you can offer a shred of evidence other than an opinion which in turn is based on wish.
            .
            DSM

          • LCD

            April 12, 2012 at 2:01 am

            DSM that’s not Ransom’s point or anybody that has talked to you about this in the past.

            Any fool can put Ni with Hydrogen and heat it up. Whatever the missing piece was they allegedly got it with help from their relationship with rossi and the spectroscopic analysis.

            If I or several others here had that info (and this all was real) I’m quite sure I/they could come up with a working reactor in a few months.

            I’m not sure I understand what is the point you are trying to make.

            So in effect yes I do believe that in the absence of the secret ingredient many people around the world following this should independently start arriving at similar solutions to the Ni-H conundrum. (If it’s real to begin with of course)

            Whatsmore once the secret sauce is known I’m certain that different combinations of H/D and metals/alloys LENR reactors will pop up bypassing any patent infringement.

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 2:21 am

            LCD

            Not sure what your point is ?

            But while you are in the thread do you have a seriously credible explanation as to how Defkalion obtained a world changing LENR device in just a few months in 2011 ?
            .
            Can’t you see that no one has a credible answer to this & thus we witness the incredible belief in everything Defkalion says (esp when their own chief scientist labelled them liars etc:) .
            .
            They do not have a world changing LENR device just because they issue a press release claiming so. They *might* have one if they did the research and and have a track record. Even Rossi can claim he started in 2007 despite any arguments as to Piantelli’s input occured (via Focardi).
            .
            Defkalion have nothing to back their incredible claim & thus they will just keep issuing promises & taking investor money.
            .
            To believe Defkalion is to acknowledge that labs all around the world can duplicate the process but none are or can !!!. There in lies a crunch.
            .
            DSM

          • Ransompw

            April 12, 2012 at 4:14 am

            DSM:

            If Defkalion, pursuant to the contract with Rossi, were privy to his trade secret, then I fail to see why they couldn’t duplicate it after the breakup. This is assuming of course that Rossi has a working commercial reactor.

            Stemmonos all but accused Defkalion of stealing Rossi’s core technology.

            Your point that they weren’t working on LENR before Rossi is just not an important issue. Defkalion had engineers and scientists working for them (at least based on what we have heard), do you really think they couldn’t reverse engineer Rossi’s core?

            I think your logic in this regard is flawed. Now if Rossi has nothing, I agree Defkalion likely has nothing. They are really tied at the hip as far as I am concerned.

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 6:43 am

            Ransompw –
            .
            I never saw any wording from Prof Stremmenos that even implied Defkalion stole Rossi’s design ?
            .
            Do you have a link to any remarks by Prof Stremmenos to this effect ?
            .
            It is ‘naughty’ to make stories up that have no substance in order to bolster a shaky position 😉
            .
            Cheers
            .
            DSM

          • LCD

            April 12, 2012 at 3:12 pm

            DSM I understand your point but it’s really all tied to Rossi right?

            If Rossi is 4 real then there is no reason to believe that Defkalion does not have the wherewithal to “see, copy, and modify” the design.

            Absent Rossi’s input, no I don’t think they could have come up with something on their own that quickly.

          • CuriousChris

            April 13, 2012 at 12:46 am

            Defkalion stated categorically they did NOT copy Rossi’s design even though they admit to surreptitiously obtaining it against Rossi’s will.

            They were extremely defensive over it and if it was brought up in the forum immediately threatened law suits.

            So given that. Either they lied and did use Rossi’s trade secret or what DSM says is correct.

            In your responses above you believe they lied. So you admit they are dishonest, They have also admitted to being deceitful. If they are dishonest then why do you believe them now?

            Wishful thinking perhaps.

  6. Dick Smith

    April 11, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Great announcement .
    Quick. Investors. Send more money to Nigeria. Sorry I meant Greece!

    Get in on the ground floor, in July the shares will rocket to above those of Apple.

    • spacegoat

      April 11, 2012 at 6:02 pm

      Dick, your rock solid conviction is amazing. Truly. Fundamentalist religion standard I would say.

      May I send you a hat to eat if you are wrong?

      Do you have children? Did you encourage them in critical thinking and an open mind, or are they as closed minded as you?

      • Al Potenza

        April 11, 2012 at 7:00 pm

        So you believe Defkalion now despite all their past lies about what they would reveal and when they would reveal it?

        • Peter Roe

          April 11, 2012 at 7:24 pm

          I can understand being hacked off about DGT’s failure to do semi-public tests, and the blog shutdown. However the fact is that nothing fundamental has changed as a result of these decisions, and we have had a couple of people claiming they visited and all is well.

          Maybe something changed? Government interference, an offer they couldn’t refuse, a glowing hole in the test lab floor – who knows. We will supposedly find out if they have something in just a few months (there was time when I would have been rather excited by that prospect).

          • Al Potenza

            April 11, 2012 at 9:19 pm

            If there are reasons for the consistent delays on the part of Defkalion to show anything believable in public, couldn’t they simply explain?

            I mean, let’s put it in context. The Greek government is falling apart due to the financial crisis. If Defkalion is real, it could constitute a significant part of a solution. And supposedly, all the Greek government authorities have completed their tests. And yet it will take until July before the public can see anything? Why? Isn’t such a delay unconscionable in context?

            If there are working reactors, as Defkalion has claimed since last June, what would be the harm in letting the public see them working and being tested?

          • Ransompw

            April 11, 2012 at 9:44 pm

            Al:

            The one point I really don’t get is the constant reference to last June and the aleged working reactors. It is a given that if real those reactors were Rossi’s Ecat and he took his Ecat and went bye bye. So even if Defkalion was telling the truth and I for one doubt it, after Rossi pulled the plug Defkalion was back to square one (or 1 and 1/2 if they stole his concept) and would have had to develop the core themselves. That may be what they did or this could be one big scam, but what they said when Rossi was their partner is hardly proof of much of anything since he ditched them.

          • Al Potenza

            April 11, 2012 at 10:35 pm

            @Ransompw

            So your theory is that Rossi went to Defkalion’s lab and physically took the working cores out of those reactors they said they were running continuously? Or maybe Rossi asked Defkalion to ship back the cores? They’d allow that? There’s some evidence for that? And if that’s the case, why doesn’t Defkalion say so?

            I agree that Defkalion may have relied on Rossi in some of their forward looking statements. I don’t agree that there is any evidence at all that they have ever had a working reactor. But they clearly claimed they had a bunch of them under extensive testing. And that was back in June or July 2011. It’s all in their forum.

          • Ransompw

            April 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm

            Al:

            I said I don’t believe them, particularly about the government testing the cores or working reactors back in June 2011. Now they may have been with Rossi (at Rossi’s location) testing the cores and they may have given the rest of the assembly to the greek government to look at, who knows. But once they lost Rossi, delays would be a given even if they were telling the truth.

            Speculation, just like all of this. Let’s see what happens.

          • Al Potenza

            April 12, 2012 at 12:57 am

            @ransompw

            Not much we can do except wait! I predict nothing will happen by July. I predict more claims, excuses, and delays. And promises. And nothing else.

            And Rossi’s promised publicly visible megawatt plant won’t be shown by then either. And nobody will see anything tangible and believable from either Rossi or Defkalion.

            I’d be willing to bet on those predictions.

            The remaining mystery is George Miley. He seems to be dodging any new serious questions such as Krivit asked him. We have no news about what he might have been asked after his recent talk. I am very curious what his next move will be. The rambling and dull non-interview with Ruby Carat was a low point in that story.

        • spacegoat

          April 11, 2012 at 9:38 pm

          Assuming DGT are authentic, then what they have done is to set expectations of bloggers, and then disappoint them somewhat. Regarding partners, testers and other business agents, well we just don’t know. Maybe they are not complaining.

          We have had blog-posts from DGT for a year. Nothing has changed. No evidence either way. Therefore our stance to wait should remain unchanged until the end of this year, in which they said they would deliver products. This is the cut-off point.

          My confidence in DGT is 50:50, in AR 5:95 (against).

          • Al Potenza

            April 11, 2012 at 10:32 pm

            But there is evidence. Defkalion promised all sorts of specific events, not a one of which happened. Clearly some, such as passing government tests and initiating marketing by the 4th quarter of 2011 would have been known by the public if they had happened. And there has been no explanation of the inconsistencies and delays. All of that is evidence against.

          • dsm

            April 11, 2012 at 11:31 pm

            It is worth recalling that in mid 2011 when Rossi failed to deliver eCats to Defkalion (& Defkalion allegedly failed to pay Rossi) that Defkalion’s chief scientist resigned then went public calling the chief executives of Defkalion “Liars and Megalomaniacs”.
            .
            So here we have in mid 2011 *the chief scientist* AND the original founder of Defkalion in 2010, making scathing and serious accusations against the people running the company.
            .
            But the DGT fans prefer to ignore the relevance of that resignation. They appear to prefer the lies & megalomania and also to accept that with no scientific track record, Defkalion can outdo all the researchers on the planet in a few months and produce the energy that changes the history of the world.
            .
            By the lord that DGT kool-aid must be such a sweet drink.
            .
            DSM

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 12:02 am

            What is also amazing is the incredible renationalisations of the DGT supporters.
            .
            – Why couldn’t Defkalion with no scientific background, produce the most advanced LENR in the world when no one else despite 20+ years of effort show it.
            .
            – Well Defkalion obviously stole it from Rossi & who cares as long as they deliver except the issue is that Rossi never let them near an eCat & that was one of their big issues with him. Also this scenario says Rossi must have had a working device (which Rossi has repeatedly failed to prove by getting one certified), and there is the gaping hole in that theory that if they had stolen anything as significant as a world changing LENR device, from Rossi he would have had lawyers queuing up to take Defkalion to the courts)
            .
            – Defkalion obtained their LENR device by osmosis. They stood near Rossi & read his mind & design & then improved on it.
            .
            – Defkalion in 2011 hired the best & brightest minds in the world & did a massive & intense burst of research & outdid everyone else in the field and are thus a bunch of the best genius minds in history.
            .
            – Defkalion have no need to prove anything to anyone because we trust what their CEO says.
            .

            You can make up any scenario or just do what most do & don’t even think about how they produced their miracle LENR, but all scenarios are so far fetched as to be clear evidence of how mass delusion can infect so many people who are basically saying “They are telling me what I want to hear, you aren’t, so please you go away”.
            .
            DSM

          • Ransompw

            April 12, 2012 at 1:00 am

            Who are you trying to convince? I don’t see a lot of mass delusion, most here are plenty skeptical of Defkalion, but there is a difference between being skeptical and running around screaming FRAUD, FRAUD and telling everyone how stupid they are to be anything but 100% sure it is a scam. Well, only Defkalion is 100% sure and they claim they have had independent tests performed, do you think if NO one comes forward we should all accept their word for it? They are saying that public announcements are coming and a Prototype fully operational product will be demonstrated this summer. If it doesn’t happen, do you think that won’t be noticed. It gets closer to 100% if 3 months go by and these don’t verify. So what is the problem with waiting to conclude?

            For that matter do you think your various points haven’t been discussed ad nauseau? You seem to protest too much. I am sure you will come back to this site for the next several months to check on things. Why?

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 1:48 am

            ransompw
            .
            You dodge yet again 🙂
            .
            Didn’t ask you for a diatribe. Merely responded to your statement that Defkalion has some sort of LENR research history & asked you to prove it because the only evidence I see is they have none, zilch, any.
            .
            Again, do you have any evidence other than opinion, that Defkalion have *any* credible LENR research history prior to 2011 or even in the 1st half of 2011. This issue strikes at the gullibility of you & your kind.
            .
            DSM

          • Ransompw

            April 12, 2012 at 4:31 am

            Defkalion’s experience with LENR prior to Rossi is completely irrelevant. The issue with Defkalion is 1) Does Rossi have a LENR reactor (one that gets commercial levels of power, even if not stable) and 2) did Defkalion acquire knowledge about how it works while they partnered with him(whether honestly or not).

            If the answer to both 1 and 2 is yes, then of course Defkalion could have a working reactor at this time.

            And Rossi may not have any right to sue or stop them because those rights depend entirely on the contract of the parties and you have NO idea what it says. So we don’t know the tangled web that may exist between Rossi and Defkalion.

            So stop filling in the blanks on all of this with your wild speculation. Your position may be correct, it is certainly a posibility, but you don’t have all the facts to be 100% certain.

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 4:57 am

            ransompw – at last an answer – thanks. I disagree with your ‘wild speculation’ claim. That is merely your own speculation 🙂
            .
            so your position restated,
            – you agree that Defkalion has no prior history of LENR research (prior to early 2011)
            .
            – you think the above is irrelevant
            .
            – you think Defkalion ‘somehow’ may have acquired a LENR reactor, possibly stolen from Rossi or taken from Rossi by some defensible legal tactic
            .
            – you think Rossi may have no grounds to sue Defkalion because no one knows what ‘arrangement they both entered into’
            .
            **************************************
            .
            This prompts a few further questions …
            .
            When Defkalion’s chief scientist resigned in mid 2011 and publicly labelled the Defkalion execs as ‘liars’ do you think he was …
            .
            1) Telling it like it is & warning the world ?
            2) Letting off steam & not really serious ?
            3) Was the liar himself ?
            .
            Do you agree that as the instigator of Defkalion, this chief scientist had a pretty good idea of who was doing what in early 2011 ?
            .
            DSM

          • Alain

            April 12, 2012 at 6:15 am

            no public demo is true,
            but Defkalion claims put it in a corner.

            they claims independent tests, and even according to some people, they sent a mail where they claims that the independent test are finished…

            if false, they will be dead quickly, and what they do does not look like the usual “delay” that scammer call .

            the DSM claims about resignation of chief scientist and founder critics is a bad point for DGT. but the current behavior of DGT is still incoherent with the theory of scam…

            maybe did DGT chief scientis and founder moan on other problems, like ethic, strategy, bad partnership.
            maybe they feel that the way Rossi was treated was not fair, even if legal.
            duùmping the partnership for him not fulfilling a complete long demo is hypocricital.
            I don’t think that they simply steal all design to Rossi, but mabe they simply realise that all is public and there is no patent needed, and that they could simply do the same faster with a good team.
            not ethic for some people, ethic for some others (if you don’t do a good engineering job, let others do it), but legal anyway (no IP violation).

            whatever do DGT and rossi, NiH reactors do work if you follow the latest research, and having a working reactor is a question of engineering, no more research.

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 6:31 am

            Alain,

            If you follow your logic (and mine) you reach a point where you say that if Defkalion can ‘knock up a working LENR’ in a few months then anyone can.
            .
            Unless one concludes they stole one from Rossi & reverse engineered it (which I seriously doubt).
            .
            There was the Piantelli 1995 patent that anyone could read, then in 2009 Piantelli’s ‘powdered Ni H’ patent was published and anyone could read it.
            .
            So if we concluded that Defkalion didn’t steal Rossi’s eCat design but built their own from the published Piantelli patents, then again we have to conclude that any lab could do the same.
            .
            But, none are !!!
            .
            As pointed out, this creates a problem of credibility.
            .
            At least we could imagine that Piantelli could build a working LENR – he presents at a conference in Italy tomorrow & it may be interesting to hear what he has to say.
            .
            Bottom line is, no one else but Rossi & Defkalion are making these massive claims.
            .
            DSM
            .
            **************************************************
            An interesting conference is taking place in Siena, Italy from April 10-14. The International Society for Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ISCMNS) is holding its 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals where 50 oral presentations and many poster sessions will be taking place. Among the sponsoring committee is Francesco Piantelli, known for his pioneering work in nickel-hydrogen reactions. His company, Nichenergy, is one of the sponsors of the event. Piantelli will be giving a presentation at the workshop about his work on April 14th.

          • Alain

            April 12, 2012 at 8:57 am

            @DSM

            First, could you send us reference to the resign of the chief science officer, and his moanings. Your claim is very interesting and I take it seriously.

            about the fact that no ther company have a working devices, it is a good question, but ther are logical answers.
            First most companies, having budget and competence, deny the reality of LENR, in global delusion. they cannot accept it, and no subordinate will dare to telle the boss that LENR might work…

            Second, most LENR companies are like Rossi and Miley a few men commando.

            Third, normal behavior of competitors in that domain is to stay silent and communicate only when all is ready.

            to be honest the only negative fact against Defkalion is that until recently they communicate too much (less that Rossi)…
            Megalomania is one excuse, like eccentricity is the excuse for Rossi.
            For the rest silence and delay is 100% coherent with corporate practice.

            Piantelli and Nichenergy should not be far from industrialization if they have a budget, and silence is logical.

            Miley seems to call for budget, thus he communicates.

            US dis not advertise the progress of their atomic bomb to the Nazi.
            First demo was at Hiroshima, and they make the demo of the V1.1 (Plutonium) at Nagasaki, because the client did not seems convinced by V1.0 (Uranium) enough quickly, and was bargaining.

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 9:40 am

            Alain

            I am stunned that you claim not to be aware of the resignation and the circumstances of the resignation from Dgt of Prof Stremmenos – sadly it confirms my concerns that too few people have done real research.

            Start here …
            .
            http://22passi.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/stremmenos-cold-fusion-will-solve.html
            .
            Then here (Please read the date very carefully (as well as the content)) …
            .
            http://ecatnews.com/?p=674
            .

            More later ..
            .
            DSM

          • dsm

            April 12, 2012 at 11:50 am

            More …
            .
            http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59434.html
            .
            Excerpt of letter to DGT “I will grant, this could be a cultural difference. However, I assure you that in the U.S. or Japan, having a member of the Board of Directors publish a statement like this would be considered a calamity. It is tantamount to having him announce that you are a fraud. It would quickly cause the collapse of any ordinary start-up company.”

            .
            The web of lies …
            http://pesn.com/2011/08/07/9501887_An_E-Cat_Full_of_Lies_-_Rossi_or_Defkalion/
            .
            DSM

          • Alain

            April 12, 2012 at 12:11 pm

            @DSM
            thanks for the link to stremmenos. I did not remind he was CSO. Ok, not new to me, but I agree one of the only serious negative point on DGT.
            that a founder get furious and accuse his ex-company, is classic, but is a sign of “coup-d’etat” inside the company.

            linked with the claims of NyTechnik (wekened by the fact that NyTechnik seems to be working to cover Rossi experimental problems), this make me slightly afraid of a legal problem behind Hyperion…
            probably not patent, but trade secrets…
            I hope/expect they did not fall in that muddy pool, or get out quickly, but possible…

            Anyway their behavior show that they have something that works, even if the IP is not clear today.

          • Ivy Matt

            April 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm

            If you follow your logic (and mine) you reach a point where you say that if Defkalion can ‘knock up a working LENR’ in a few months then anyone can.

            Well, if Rossi can do it….

          • dsm

            April 13, 2012 at 1:05 am

            Alain

            Re Prof Stremmenos – when thinking about his attitude to Defkalion, remember that he is no ordinary scientist. Prof Stremmenos was at one time the Greek ambassador to Italy.
            .
            He is not a person to make remarks lightly. His issue with Defkalion was them claiming in mid 2011 that they were testing 1000s of LENR reactors & were regularly getting over COP 19 from them.
            .
            Stremmenos commented that Defkalion didn’t even have a factory at the time they made those claims. And also there was the reality that they had only been in business for 7 months. He also said (as did Rossi for what his word is worth) that no eCat had ever been sent to Greece so where the miracle devices came from was in Stremmenos’s opinion “lies”.
            .
            DSM

    • Shane D.

      April 11, 2012 at 6:24 pm

      Dick,

      It is better to just admit you are as addicted to this as we are. I see all the signs.

      • GreenWin

        April 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm

        A candidate for XcessHeat Rehab. In Reykjavik. He can afford it.

        • Peter Roe

          April 11, 2012 at 8:03 pm

          I cant, and I need it more…

          • Methusela

            April 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm

            I think John Milstone is there already. Either that, or he’s trapped in his basement.

  7. X-prize

    April 11, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    Now we know why the disciples of Andrea Rossi just can’t see reality as it really is.
    .
    Scientific American Mind » March 2012
    Neural Responses Reveal Our Optimistic Bent
    Why adjusting our expectations to reality is so difficult.

    ************************************************

  8. JNewman

    April 11, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Ah, news once again. Rossi is building an even more ginormous ecat and Defkalion is getting great results and will share them real soon. Maybe this means we can stay away from talking about perpetual motion machines for a while.

    • Al Potenza

      April 11, 2012 at 10:29 pm

      Wouldn’t you say that those are claims rather than news? Well, OK. Maybe news about claims. But claims nevertheless?

      It will be news when it happens. *IF* if ever does.

      • JNewman

        April 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm

        Well, if you want to get technical about it, then there has been no news here for six months. Requiring actual things to happen is a pretty tough standard.

  9. GreenWin

    April 11, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Here’s a nice synopsis of Dr. Miley’s BEC theory for LENR. Seems more plausible than the Widom Larsen ideas.

    http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/04/11/a-synopsis-of-the-miley-lenr-theory/

    • Peter Roe

      April 12, 2012 at 9:51 am

      I can sort of follow the reasoning about fusion of deuterons (although I’m not clear whether its D-D fusion or D-Ni/D-Pd or both) but is the article saying that this can happen to such a degree that unstable fissionable isotopes are produced? And what about hydrogen condensates – protons – where are the neutrons coming from if/when these fuse to create high atomic-weight elements? The article talks about H2 and D2 as if they are interchangeable, but I don’t see how that could be the case.

      Probably just my lack of understanding – I was a microbiologist so my understanding of particle physics is probably on a par with that of the average bricklayer.

  10. Shane D.

    April 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    HE speaks:


    Mark Saker
    April 11th, 2012 at 9:14 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    This is such a quiet time, I hope there is much going on behind the scenes that you cannot tell us. I wonder if there is any new information you can give to satisfy curious minds, and to repay those you mention have given you helpful information via your blog?

    Any indication from UL as to certification of the home e-cat?
    Any dates you can commit to that invited parties will see a working plant – who can then report back via the Internet?
    Any pictures or video of a home e-cat working or connected to a home central heating system? The picture does not have to show inner workings or give any indication as to where it is located.
    Any pictures or video of the 1MW system that we have not seen?
    What about some pictures from earlier versions of the e-cat – perhaps early experiments from a few years ago?

    We are all eager for any information you have no matter how big or small especially information which shows progression from the October test.

    Many Thanks

    Mark

    Andrea Rossi
    April 11th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
    Dear Mark Saker:
    You are right: very much is going on behind the scenes, because in this matter is best first do things, then talk of them.
    We will give due information of all the facts we will have made, while during the making of them we prefer to work in silence, to work better.
    The 1 MW plant is for military purpose, it cannot be seen, but when we will have (soon) a plant in operation that will be visitable, People like you, who have helped us, will be invited to visit it.
    Very important things are in the making, but, again, I prefer making before talking.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • dsm

      April 11, 2012 at 11:15 pm

      And these are the words from the man who in early 2011 called the worlds press to Italy & with considerable fanfare announced he had conquered the world’s energy needs forever ???
      .
      “You are right: very much is going on behind the scenes, because in this matter is best first do things, then talk of them.”
      .
      (credibility alert !!!)
      .
      DSM

    • Shane D.

      April 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm

      Putting on my skeptics hat for a moment; Rossi confirms here that the 1MW unit he demonstrated in Oct is for the military.

      If, indeed, the unit met COP guarantees during that test, I suspect the military would have immediately wisked it away and put it under tight security at a secure installation.

      Doubtful they would have left it in Rossis’ backyard all these months awaiting better gaskets. Lots of things with Rossi just don’t add up. Then again, sometimes they do.

      • Frank

        April 12, 2012 at 12:11 am

        You are absolutely right – if (and only if) Rossi would have found the Holy Grail, has a LENR devices and has convinced the military about that, the military would have just put the container after the Oct. 26 demonstration on a truck and carried it away, regardless of leaking gasket etc.
        Then they would own 50+ single e-cats which they could examine, and copy. In area 51 they don’t worry about Rossis ‘self destruction mechanism’ 😉

        I can’t understand people believeing such nonsense that the military would leave such a container for months in Rossis garage, so that he can fix some gaskets (and some controls).
        Should somebody really believe the military would use this container just to install it at a remote location to heat some water (so that the boys get warm water for shower)?
        There is very simple and higly reliable equipment available which can accomplish that – combustile burners. – And they don’t need a noisy 500kW el. generator attached to it ….

        • daniel maris

          April 12, 2012 at 2:24 am

          Well speaking as one who is essentially neutral but feels pulled both ways…

          The problem is that so many scientific teams have confirmed LENR and a number of significant figures remain supportive of Rossi. In those circumstances, it is quite difficult to simply dismiss his claims without good cause. No one closely associated with Rossi has ever accused him of fraud or delusion.

          • Shane D.

            April 12, 2012 at 2:49 am

            Daniel,

            Neutral is a good place to be. It positions one to be right either way. If it’s a scam you can argue you knew. If real you can argue you also knew.

            I’m neutral. That said, I am confident I am on the right side of this debate.

  11. GreenWin

    April 11, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    And an interesting opinion from Peter Hunt in the mold of Emile Zola and Alfred Dreyfus “J’accuse!”

    http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=29841

  12. Dick Smith

    April 12, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Come on everyone. I was joking. That’s why I mentioned Nigeria.

    More and more evidence from the delays and excuses that both are scams.

    But I bet they are both still collecting money. As I have stated previously most who lost the $100 m in Forepower are still believers!

    • daniel maris

      April 12, 2012 at 1:57 am

      Dick,

      You seem to have gone from mom and pop investors (cue violins) to rich idiots who enjoy throwing their money away… LOL

      The way you tell it, it’s like their is a nice symbiotic relationship: the rich idiot gets a thrill from the dangerous investment which they con themselves will one day produce riches and the scammers get the money. Doesn’t sound like such a bad deal the way you describe it.

      I think you did better with the mom and pop argument.

      The rest of us will I think reserve judgement.

    • Shane D.

      April 12, 2012 at 2:15 am

      Dick,

      I know you mean well, but we here are sophisticated investors. Thats why I only invested half my life savings with DGT and Rossi. Momma didn’t raise no fool!

      By the way, can you give me some tips on where to invest the other half? I want to diversify.

      • Quax

        April 12, 2012 at 3:29 am

        I have a bridge I could sell you …

        • dsm

          April 12, 2012 at 3:39 am

          Quax
          If it is the bridge I think it is, I already own it 🙂

          DSM

          (Swapped my 2 home eCat orders for it – what a deal 🙂 )

          • Shane D.

            April 12, 2012 at 3:48 am

            Lol. Very witty of the both of you. Kudos.

  13. Quax

    April 12, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Dick, due to the bounty that you posted, you apparently so irritated some hardcore believers that they developed a Pavlov’s attack reflex.

    Anyhow, I recommend using these emoticons.

    🙂

    Even if they look childish they are very useful in denoting when something is said in jest.

    Maybe being abundantly clear when you are joking will help to reduce the shades of red that some people here see every time you post something.

  14. georgehants

    April 12, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Two days ago I put up this link showing a wonderful scientist doing his job, I asked if any fellow scientist would like to wish him well and encourage his efforts.
    Not one fellow scientist replied.
    What a sad state science is in when a new theory can pass by on these pages without even a nod of approval.
    If he is correct or not is irrelevant, just his spurring thought and ideas makes it worthwhile.

    April 10, 2012 at 10:04 am
    Thought it would be interesting to put up this link to see what support and encouragement a fellow scientist gets on these pages for doing his job of trying to push Science forward.

    Institute of Science in Society
    The Z Theory of Everything
    How cold fusion and antigravity experiments led engineer/physicist Frank Znidarsic to a new causal theory that relates all natural forces and might well have interested Einstein; but is he right? Dr. Mae-Wan Ho
    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/The_Z_theory_of_everything.php

    • spacegoat

      April 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm

      George,
      That is because it was a repeat post.
      Previous posts got low level interest. Quax and a few others replied.

      If the mathematics (big if) are correct, then it appears Z-theory is extremely important because the theory is highly simplifying and predictive, more so than Quantum Theory that it would replace.

      But as you have pointed out many times, scientific importance does not imply community scientific interest, due to rice bowl issues.

    • Steve W

      April 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm

      The implications of Frank Znidarsic’s theory are too great. His theory, which also relates to gravity modification in addition to LENR are in my opinion supressed technology. When he was suppose to give a presentation on his theory, at the last minute the conference was cancelled. Does this sound familiar? Is it possible, his theory is behind government black projects regarding advanced propulsion and anti-gravity. Is that why LENR is supressed? Is WL theory just a diversion to mislead scientists away from the real physics that the military’s “exotic” technology is based on. Just a thought.

      • Al Potenza

        April 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm

        no
        no
        no
        and no

        Warm Regards.

        A. P.

        • RonB

          April 13, 2012 at 5:35 am

          hahahahah

      • GreenWin

        April 12, 2012 at 11:46 pm

        Steve, WL “theory” is equal to the value of horse pucky on an equestrian farm. Everything else you speculate is true;)

      • GreenWin

        April 13, 2012 at 12:57 am

        This also explains why the following is not less than real:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=pZb05BaRmqU

    • Quax

      April 12, 2012 at 4:34 pm

      I wish all my fellow men well, that goes without saying.

      As spacegoat pointed out it was a repeat post and George is not interested in opinions about weather this theory is correct or not.

      So what is there to post about?

      • GreenWin

        April 12, 2012 at 11:43 pm

        Would that be weather before the storm Quax??

        • Quax

          April 13, 2012 at 4:15 am

          No it’ll be raining on the parade.

    • General Zaroff

      April 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm

      I am a scientist. I have a bold new theory: the planet Jupiter is made of pudding. Can I get a nod of approval or at least some words of encouragement from my fellow scientists? No? What a sad statement about humanity.

      • Quax

        April 12, 2012 at 9:42 pm

        Sorry, for being so late but I think your theory is awesome. But how does is square with the moon being made of cheese?

        • dsm

          April 12, 2012 at 11:25 pm

          Well – I have in my video collection, a film about Wallace & Gromit who went to the moon to check out if it was really made of cheese.
          .
          Gromit *never* lies *ever*.
          .
          Now, I am thinking we need to contact Nick Park & ask him to have Gromit build a genuine LENR reactor – Gromit could do it blindfold & it would be the biggest & best ever – plus as already mentioned, Gromit *never* lies *ever* (yes, the fact that he can’t talk should be considered irrelevant 🙂 )
          .
          Announcement:
          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104361/
          .
          Youtube clip #1 (very short version)
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05vYIFZEhzA&feature=related
          .
          Youtube clip #2 (full version)
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw78po4J-HQ&feature=related
          .
          DSM

        • General Zaroff

          April 13, 2012 at 12:55 am

          I just finished testing a scale model of my Jupiter theory. I found the red spot could easily be explained by a splash of strawberry syrup. I think the theory is pretty robust now and has stood up to my testing. I hope the dogmatic scientific community will recognize my greatness.

          Quax, the moon being made of cheese is not a theory, it is a fact. As such, it is a Truth that is beyond contestation. Obviously one of the main reasons they had to fake the moon landings was because of the technical difficulties involved in walking on a delicious viscoelastic substance.

          I am off to test my new theories that Neptune is mostly made of ice cream and the volcanoes of Io spew beer. If anyone else wants to get in on this maybe we can share the Nobel prize.

    • GreenWin

      April 12, 2012 at 10:22 pm

      George,

      “Magnetism is NOT a conserved property.” TeraWatt explained. Low thermal fusion possible. But I can hear howling from the peanut gallery.

      Z is very interesting. Impedance matching seems another way of saying energies resonating at sympathetic/matched frequencies become 100% efficient and transferable. Will read through the rest of the text soon.

      Thanks very much!

      • georgehants

        April 13, 2012 at 8:01 am

        GreenWin, as I said I only put it up to see the reaction of fellow scientists on this page.
        I will say no more than if people reading this page are not ashamed of the general response then it is a sad day.
        Can I join you in wishing the guy every success and as only the Truth will ever survive, we will if not hidden and abused out of present existence soon know, when fair debate is started by intelligent scientists (elsewhere as impossible on these pages) because it has not, because of the Internet been censored by peer review and journals and is open for everyone to gain from, even if in time shown to be partly or fully in error.
        Well done every Cold Fusion Rebel and every Rebel willing to fight Dogma and authority, as said by —
        Flavio Tabanelli
        “It is imperative to lead the fight against lobbies on all fronts in the name of justice, equality and welfare of the world population …”

  15. Shane D.

    April 12, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    CERN doing their own LENR research. Mitsubishi planning a cold fusion powered dump truck. Some countries envisioning LENR mass transit.

    Interesting link below. As has been said, the amount of info we see appears to be just the tip of the iceberg. So much below the surface and it does seem to be growing in intensity.

    http://andrearossiecat.com/andrea-rossi/dr-m-srinivasan-calls-for-lenr-program-revival-in-india

    Another tidbit; Christos Stremmenos (former DGT director ) gives a LENR speech today at 1800 in Bologna at the Cold Fusion conference.

    • Al Potenza

      April 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm

      “Mitsubishi planning a cold fusion powered dump truck. ”

      Really? How do we know that? And if they can do that, why would they not power ALL their vehicles from cold fusion and market generators, heaters, and who knows what else?

      Mitsubishi already makes a truck called the Fuso, not “Fusio” as misquoted in your linked article. It has absolutely nothing to with fusion, cold or otherwise. It’s just the name of their truck. Here’s a link to its web site:

      http://www.mitfuso.com/en-US

      • Jami

        April 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm

        Ford seems to have leaped ahead. They’ve been selling the “Fusion” for eons.

      • Ivy Matt

        April 12, 2012 at 6:19 pm

        Yeah, as far as I’m aware Ford is the only company currently selling fusion-powered vehicles.

        EDIT: Guess I should have refreshed the page before posting. 😛

      • Shane D.

        April 12, 2012 at 6:54 pm

        Al,

        Just the messenger. Here’s the quote:

        “Japanese companies like Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Technical have also been coming up with personal and utility vehicle prototypes like the FUSIO dump truck. This is designed to eventually be powered by cold fusion or LENR engines

        I guess once they stick a cold fusion engine in the FUSO the new name is FUSIO.

        • Al Potenza

          April 12, 2012 at 7:19 pm

          Have you seen anything from Mitsubishi about using cold fusion in trucks? Or anything at all practical whatsoever about cold fusion from Mitsubishi? Far as I know, they do a bit of basic research in the field and their results so far have been nothing to make anyone optimistic about its prospects.

          If not directly from Mitsubishi, it’s just the mental masturbation typical of many who write fanciful ideas about Rossi’s ecat in particular and cold fusion in general.

          • Shane D.

            April 12, 2012 at 8:03 pm

            Al,

            If they gave it a name it must be for real.

            I’ve put myself on Mitsubishis order list for the 2014 FUSIO. Maybe you won’t be such a skeptic after I give you a ride in it.

          • Ivy Matt

            April 12, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    • GreenWin

      April 12, 2012 at 10:37 pm

      Speaking of CERN, this is amusing:

      “If the Higgs boson does not exist, it would have been the most spectacular failure of big science, as well as the most phenomenal waste of taxpayer’s money. Physicist Shahriar Afshar already warned of “chaos and infighting” among scientists, and a complete loss of confidence among the general public and taxpayer [6], should the Higgs boson fail to turn up.” Inst. Science in Society

      So far it is a big F A I L. But not bigger than hot fusion’s 60 years, $20B and ZERO, ZED, NADA in useable energy. Talk about classic SCAMS! And taxpayers are STILL paying for this hokum. DS – save us from big science!!

      $10M for first guy proving hot fusion COP of 3.

  16. Jami

    April 12, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    “The 1 MW plant is for military purpose, it cannot be seen…”

    Strange that no blog and no devoted JONP poster has picked up on this sensational news yet. I mean it was quite something when Rossi reluctantly admitted it might be a good idea to measure gravity around his ecats – but a flying AND invisible ecat would be something even george would have to chew on for a while before announcing that science has criminally forgotten to research it yet.

    • Al Potenza

      April 12, 2012 at 6:18 pm

      I wonder what the military does to accommodate the required 475 kW diesel generator that roars loudly all the time while the megawatt plant is running, making about the same output as the diesel generator.

      Is the military really desperate for a diesel to steam converter?

      • Ivy Matt

        April 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm

        Sure. You remember what Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus said, right?:

        The Navy has always been at the forefront of energy technology.

        And it’s no big secret that the U.S. Navy wants an all-electric fleet.

        So, once you have a method for converting diesel to steam, what’s the next logical step? 😉

        • GreenWin

          April 12, 2012 at 11:29 pm

          It is perplexing – why Navy keeps a top cold fusion scientist on Rossi’s staff of Advisers. What could they be thinking??

          • CuriousChris

            April 13, 2012 at 1:08 am

            That’s just Rossi name dropping.

            None of them are real advisors, and one either doesn’t exist or Is Rossi’s Old psychology lecturer who died many years ago.

  17. Free Thinker

    April 12, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    I have been on about the lack of news, but recently there have been some developments.

    It has been reported on other sites.

    The comment on this soon two week old article is reaching 1000 very soon.

    Admin, is it not time for some update? Current status of affairs as seen by the editor? Or is there some easily explained reason why there is no new articles lately?
    Please enlighten us.

    I note that Krivit has gone into a complete silence mode. Maybe he went out of steam …? Let this not be the fate of this otherwise excellent site.

    br

    • Shane D.

      April 12, 2012 at 11:47 pm

      br,

      Agree. Lots of news going on that admins at other sites seem to be on top of.

      For some reason though few post at the other sites whereas here, with less input by Paul (admin), there is heavy activity and participation by a variety of professionals that makes it very attractive to me.

      It would be even more so were we fed more news.

  18. daniel maris

    April 12, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Is eCat news winding down? No new stories since back in March…

  19. GreenWin

    April 12, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Oh boy, those crazy guys in the parallel universe are selling water power again!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KP7lhVa0hg

    Who finances this business???

  20. dsm

    April 12, 2012 at 11:05 pm

    To our many LENR supporters who visit this site, I know the news & accusations re Rossi & Defkalion are depressing to some but below is a link to a website that is nice to read and is very positive about LENR.
    .
    I have read a lot of posts by Robert Mockan & really enjoy what he says & the clarity with which he says it. He offers (IMHO) real hope that LENR research will move past the crooks & charlatans who have stirred up the current hornets nest with their web of intrigue & ‘pork pies’.
    .
    So – go here – read – relax – & most of all enjoy 🙂
    .
    http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com.au/
    .
    DSM

    • CuriousChris

      April 13, 2012 at 1:16 am

      The first post I read was about teaching LENR in schools. In that article he promotes blacklights hydrino’s, then talks about Browns gas as if its something special.

      Why would you teach poorly funded sham ridden fringe science in schools? What other things would he have us teach in school?

      Sorry I could not read any further.

      • dsm

        April 13, 2012 at 2:18 am

        Yeo,

        You have a point – but as I said – makes nice reading 🙂

        as for hydrinos ? – No one seems to be interested any more 🙁

        Cheers

        DSM

        • GreenWin

          April 13, 2012 at 7:07 am

          Doug, ever look at Blacklight’s “reactors?” They have the morphological appearance of Rossi’s reactor cores.

          http://blacklightpower.com/presentations/SummaryTechPres.pdf

          Wait a minute… You don’t think, disclosure of abundant sources of energy could be linked to this extraordinary brilliant wizard, Randell Mills – do you?

          If ever there was reason to believe in other worldly beings it is Dr. Mills. But as Dr. Mills explained in a recent email – the nickel compounds in the Blacklight process are critical. “Without a catalyst – hydrinos are forbidden.”

          Dr. Mills, please take no offense in calling you a “wizard.” It is, in fact, an approbation given to the highest order of mentors – which in my world – wield more power than on Earth. Senor Rossi is one catalyst – followed or preceded by many more. You rankle the very soul of orthodox science and bring the simple human race closer to the divine feast! G’bless.

    • CuriousChris

      April 13, 2012 at 1:23 am

      To expand slightly on the browns gas comment

      This is a good read…
      http://www.alternative-energy-resources.net/browns-gas-the-reality.html

      • CuriousChris

        April 13, 2012 at 1:31 am

        Oh By The Way. Please ignore everything else on that site. He makes money via clickbank links to dubious things like water powered cars.
        It was just the Engineer Jon’s post I found interesting.

  21. buffalo

    April 13, 2012 at 12:10 am

    yea boys.lets pop the champaigne.the 1000th commentator wins a luxury cruise to straits of hormuz.maybe admin is personaly examining a working ecat last 2 wks?

    • dsm

      April 13, 2012 at 12:51 am

      That $1 mill LENR prize surrrre looks tempting 🙂

      DSM

      • GreenWin

        April 13, 2012 at 7:13 am

        Doug, a new $$2M dollar PRIZE for anyone demonstrating hot fusion COP of 3!! WOW! In another 60 years they might get close.

        • dsm

          April 13, 2012 at 11:40 am

          GreenWin – thanks !
          .
          Where is the website ? – who is standing behine the $2 mill (I hope it isn’t a discharge bankrupt 🙂 🙂 🙂 )

          DSM

    • Mahron - A4 B2

      April 13, 2012 at 2:58 am

      50 more to go. One more month without news, and we could break the 2000 barrier. A small step for man, but an even smaller for mankind.

  22. spacegoat

    April 13, 2012 at 4:15 am

    Proof! Ecat is the Real Deal!

    http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/update-of-you-tube-video-about-lenr-and.html

    … and the proof is ….

    1. The guys credit card was defrauded.
    2. His establishment was visited by burglars.
    3. His (obviously Windows, not Linux) computer was trashed by a virus.

    … meaning …

    The puppeteers against ecat are out to get him.

    • dsm

      April 13, 2012 at 5:19 am

      Robert sure has a story to tell 🙂
      .
      Personally, having followed his postings for many months, I don’t believe he is fabricating it.
      .
      It was at the same time the Dick Smith LENR prize website was hacked several times (until we moved it to a more secure provider).
      .
      Who knows ?
      .
      DSM

  23. Quax

    April 13, 2012 at 6:29 am

    At least skeptics in this form don’t have to worry about what hoax debunkers in India have to endure:

    http://stephenlaw.blogspot.ca/2012/04/letter-from-sanal-edamaruka-defence.html

    • CuriousChris

      April 13, 2012 at 7:01 am

      That’s a sorry story, but the bit about the Indian constitution was interesting.

      Stephens book “Believing Bullshit” sounds like a good read, I might get that.

    • dsm

      April 13, 2012 at 11:35 am

      Yup
      .
      I recall the miracle of Ganesh statue that drank cow’s milk – caused a sensation. I had been in India around that time on business & would *never* dare argue with the locals who wide-eyedly confirmed they had seen it with their own eyes.
      .
      But read for yourself 🙂
      .
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle
      .
      Now we have the miracle of the hyperions LOL !!!
      .
      DSM
      .
      PS for all those who have seen videos of the miracle Hyperion you will appreciate this video proof that Ganesh statue drinks milk.
      .
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdnZAogNWTk

  24. RonB

    April 13, 2012 at 7:23 am

    Life’s been keeping me really busy so I’m counting on you folks here to clue me in when something big breaks. I sure can’t count on the network news *sigh*

    If anyone starts talking metallic hydrogen someone bang me on the head three times. 🙂

  25. georgehants

    April 13, 2012 at 10:50 am

    From E-Cat World with thanks
    barty on April 13, 2012 at 9:45 am
    Here is the complete mail which defkalion sent to their interestet investors:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/109367316429719678205/posts/JQf54WUY2Cb

    • dsm

      April 13, 2012 at 11:30 am

      Good for you George 🙂

      Hmmmm, I wonder if they will *ever* get a patent ?

      Perhaps that is one reason they won’t do business in the US, or, they may fear what the US authorities do to people who fraudulently promote non technologies – ahh well, we may learn the storyin a few years 🙂

      DSM