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March 27, 2012

The short hiatus from posting here has been interesting. Travelling to London and other parts of the UK, I was able to read most comments (up until this weekend). Despite the occasional flare of animosity, the debate has been instructive. I remain suspicious of the intention of certain posters but deliberately let them have the floor. It is foolish to think we might learn something new by only listening to our internal dialogue. Despite disagreements, the quality has been high and if we can keep it that way, I will hold off on banning all but the most destructive trolls. Please help me by respecting this place and each other.

While the eCat and Hyperion exist in an indeterminate state, I would appreciate your suggestions on what you want from eCatNews.

I have to admit to a hardened scepticism after Defkalion failed to keep their promise regarding the independent tests. Initially pleased to see them paint themselves into a corner, I would have argued the point that such a manoevre would be stupid unless they had the goods. Now I’m not so sure. While it is entirely possible that they will stun us all in the days or weeks to come by showing their independently corroborated hand, I caution everyone to remain sceptical until they do. I look forward to them proving their champions rights and the doubters wrong – if they can.

I am reluctant to act as an echo chamber, simply repeating AR’s announcements. The secret customers, the non-delivered 1MW plant, the succession of pronouncements no-one can verify are only of interest if you already believe. I do not agree with anyone who says he has shown nothing and I continue to give respect to those close to the game who vouch for Rossi’s claims. I would refute any single point of contention (wet steam, Rossi’s history, lies, constant blogging, existence of investors etc) as proof that he is scamming but do admit that the cumulative pattern is worrying.

As hope flickers defiantly, I do believe that the evidence for LENR outweighs the apparent determination by some to see it die. Popeye puts up a good fight, many of his criticisms valid. His points are worth noting even as you wonder why he puts so much effort into making them. He does seem to protest too much. His stance is worth repeating here. In his and the opinion of many scientists, cold fusion is so unlikely that only solid evidence will make them want to look closely at it. In picking holes, he casts doubt and that doubt is proof of something lacking. He has not destroyed the value of Miley’s work (for instance) only muddied the confidence in that scientist’s conclusions. Popeye is willing to spend his talents, the fruit of his experience and time on trying to convince others not to waste theirs on cold fusion because (he says) it is obvious nonsense. It is a curious way to use your resources. Still, he has a point. If cold fusion is real, we must now be at a point where ready proof will explode onto the world stage sometime soon. If not, why not?

In the meantime, AR raises his fists:

Andrea Rossi

Dear Antonella:
We know perfectly who some puppeteers are: our intelligence system is working together with the Law Firm we have engaged for this issue. We are collecting and analyzing every single phrase the Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) are publishing in paper press and in Internet. We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. For now we are just preparing all the necessary publications, comments, evidence, documents, addresses, etc, etc. I start the battles when I am sure to win. So far they had the sensation that our Group can be libelled for free: it is not so. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children.
If you are interested to this issue or have information for us, please contact
Thank you for your kind attention,
Warm Regards,

If he has what he claims, such considerations will seem petty at launch and if he does not…. well!

Please keep in mind my request for suggestions. Until there is real news, the value of this site is with you and not me. I thank you all for making it so.

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251 Responses to eCatNews

  1. georgehants

    March 29, 2012 at 11:15 am

    From Facebook with thanks, google translate
    E-Cat: July sales of Defkalion. And Smith expects the certifications
    Written by Francesca Mancuso
    Loıd Ǝddǝsnıƃ
    Defkalion’s Hyperion on sale next july???

  2. georgehants

    March 29, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Paul asks what can be discussed while waiting for news on our Wonderful E-CAT and Defkalion etc.
    There is one Topic that has everything to do with Cold Fusion that I have tried to highlight from the beginning. SCIENCE.
    Cold Fusion is all about Science, and it’s Good points concerning the subject and it’s Bad points.
    What can we learn from the Cold Fusion debacle, anybody who tries to deny or hide the unbelievable failures in science is as bad as any irrational skeptic.
    The question, should UFO’s be researched professionally and unbiasedly has everything to do with sciences failures with Cold Fusion.
    I do not wish to debate UFO’s but point out the Obvious –
    The Evidence for UFO’s is strong and indisputable but science continues to brainwash it’s members and the public to make many of them puppets that just parrot the official line that they are fed, just like Cold Fusion.
    Does anybody agree that the purpose of Science is to investigate the unknown and LEARN, if after investigation then like Cold Fusion it will either be shown to be True or False.
    If one does not seriously investigate and do the research on any subject then Science is a Clown, not to be believed or taken seriously.

    • spacegoat

      March 29, 2012 at 12:47 pm

      I replied to your earlier post. There is no failure of science. Just a failure of society and human weakness superimposed on science.

      • georgehants

        March 29, 2012 at 12:51 pm

        spacegoat, you have stated some “opinions” that I wish to challenge.
        As I said below have moved to new page please answer my reply there.
        With thanks.

  3. Jami

    March 29, 2012 at 11:56 am

    People on PESN suggested george was a script gone wild – the final legacy of a failed student who hated the world and died, forgotten and alone among his cats on a back stair in Stepney. A bit harsh, maybe – but I’m beginning to believe it.

    • georgehants

      March 29, 2012 at 12:14 pm

      Jami thank you for your reply I am looking for one person preferably a scientist willing to debate with me my points.
      Would you like to volunteer for a strictly simple question and answer debate.
      If you decline then I feel everybody can deduce you are a waste of space.
      Thank you for your time.

    • Al Potenza

      March 29, 2012 at 4:07 pm


  4. popeye

    March 31, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    knoert on March 29, 2012 at 1:10 am:

    Over the last few weeks I have followed this blog with a large degree of aw and astonishment. [feigned fawning deleted]

    Another one who has learned about apple polishing — a fallacious appeal to flattery and emotion.

I also became more and more skeptic – I’ve always been a skeptic anyway – about these “good learners”. It seemed to me that, although they had jobs in high places and were generally well respected, they missed something you can’t actually learn. Like approaching things from a different angle or thinking outside the box. They all seem to have this brain-block to accept ideas and phenomena which they were not able to explain with what they’ve learned and studied. In such situations it’s just as their brain has hit a roadblock.

    And yet, the very people who gave birth to the cold fusion saga, and nearly all the researchers working in the field, would fit your description of “good learner”, as would the people who developed quantum mechanics, lasers, semi-conductors, and so on. Some “good learners”, who can’t drive a nail into a planck, nevertheless make revolutionary — outside the box — discoveries. It happens a lot less with the mechanics who know exactly what to do when their car breaks down (though of course there are exceptions, like the Wright brothers).

    The same brain-block applies to most of the skeptics participating on this blog. Popeye for example said that researching herbal remedies, anti gravity, and perpetual motion is a total waste of time.

    I have not used herbal remedies as an example, although I have frequently used homeopathy. There is some legitimate research on the question of anti-gravity; I used the analogy to argue that claims of anti-gravity devices or machines would require extraordinary evidence because it would be contrary to predictions based on centuries of experimental experience. I would regard research on perpetual motion machines as a waste of time.

    And I ask myself why? It is like he has already completely made up his mind about certain subjects and therefore plainly refuses to accept any other point of view.

    I guess I don’t write as well as you say, because I’ve taken some pains to point out that I do not rule things out, and that I would accept any phenomenon given credible evidence for it. That doesn’t mean in the absence of such evidence I would regard the subject worthy of research, based simply on someone’s claim. Topics of research get chosen based on accumulated knowledge. That’s what Newton meant by standing on the shoulders of giants. If you took any idea or concept and gave it equal billing in a research plan, progress would be slow indeed.

    What about if the farmer who chew on a piece of bark from a willow tree would have lived nowadays, would popeye classify him as a herbalist? He just discovered aspirin.

    Herbal medicine that works is called medicine. I’ve got nothing against any herbs, spices, or synthetics, as long as their benefits are based on evidence and not superstition.

    And yes, I have seen objects in the night sky moving so fast as if there were no gravity.

    What’s your point? Aerodynamics, buoyancy, orbital motion are not examples of anti-gravity.

    Perpetual motion poppycock? We’re literally surrounded by it; they’re called atoms.

    What? Do you live inside atoms? You talk as if you do. But sure, even on the macroscopic scale, a superconducting coil, and planetary motion are examples of motion in perpetuity, or nearly so anyway. But that’s not what a “Perpetual Motion Machine” is, and it really shouldn’t be necessary to use quotes and capitals in the context I used it. I was talking about a machine that produces useful work indefinitely without consuming energy. Look it up.

The fact is that we just don’t understand how some things work. Come to think of it, we actually know very little at all. In this blog posters write about the inner working of atoms as if they live in one and know it all and how it is therefore impossible for a LENR to take place.

    Nothing is completely understood, but some things are understood better than others. A stone will fall to the ground when released at rest from the tower of Pisa. Claims to the contrary would be regarded suspiciously, don’t you agree. More than a half century of detailed experiments on nuclear and chemical reactions in all three phases are all consistent with a picture that predicts that cold fusion reactions will happen at a negligibly low rate. That prediction could be wrong, but most people who know the most about it are nearly as confident of it as you are that a dropped stone will fall to the ground, or that burning gasoline produces heat. It doesn’t matter if you don’t understand it or if you think they’re being arrogant or wrong. They will not be motivated to do experiments in the field based on their knowledge and experience unless extraordinary evidence is presented. And when consulted, they will recommend against the use of public funds to support such research.

    Well, if we really knew anything about atoms we would cure cancer tomorrow and make a bar of gold from a bucket of water the next day.

    Sorry, but your first attempt at a logical argument falls flat. We do know *something* about atoms. Even you know they represent an example of (small p) perpetual motion. And yet you can’t cure cancer or change water to wine, let alone gold.

    However, fact is, we’ve go no idea at all. We pretend, proclaim and think we do, but in reality we don’t. Not popeye, not dsm, not jay, or Rossi for that matter.

    How do figure they invented transistors without any idea at all? How do you know atoms are moving without any idea at all?

    For anybody to say therefore that LENR is not possible and a scam – because it shouldn’t and I haven’t learned that at university – is outright stupid. There’s no other word for it. Because we just do not know. Yet.

    LENR is not a scam, but some people’s claims of LENR probably are. Skeptics say LENR is highly unlikely, and if such judgements were stupid, and LENR had to be regarded as simply unknown (what 50/50?), then (again) progress would be slow indeed. We don’t know that the sun will rise tomorrow; is it stupid to assume that it will?

What happened with Rossi I think, is that he stumbled upon something which convinced him that LENR does work. Just like that farmer chewing on a piece of willow tree bark hundreds of years ago. Or Fleming with penicillin. Or Viagra. Plus many many other so called “discoveries”. Things people thought would never be possible all of a sudden were.

    Analgesics, antibiotics, or cures for erectile dysfunction were never regarded as impossible, or even particularly unlikely. But yes, some things previously thought impossible are now possible. It doesn’t mean that whenever something is thought to be (nearly) impossible, it’s not.

  5. AmagnonX

    April 3, 2012 at 5:44 am

    If this device does work, then it has the potential to entirely change the political and economic landscape.

    Those who derive power from owning and controlling oil assets are the most powerful and ruthless individuals – and in my opinion, the control of oil arose from the control of money – these people also control media, governments and law (and of course paltry things like patent offices.) They also control the scientific institutions.

    I think the inventors should stop trying to use the usual channels – and simply release all possible information on the net – after they do that, they are less vulnerable – they are unlikely to ever make money from this device through a normal business process, they should stop trying – their best approach would be to release all information as widely as possible and request donations.

    I don’t know if is genuine or not, but my understanding of science is not at all mainstream – mainly because the mainstream are owned and created specifically for the purpose of confusing and hiding the truth.

  6. T Lee Buyea - Flas. New Service

    April 3, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    Sometimes the simplest thing is over looked, Mr Rossi about a year ago presented his small 5,000 watt version of the E-Cats, For demonstration.
    He later claimed it would run continiousely for 6 months yto a year on one fueling and then be easy enough to refule the customer could do it.
    OK So where is just one 5,00 watt E-Cat running ?
    Just one ? Where is it ?
    Even in one of Mr Rossi’s secret labs or factories, Where is just one running ?
    No one wants his E-Cats to work more than I, I live in MIami and want to work at the Miami EpCat factory and se;lll and inform and be teck suport for E-Cats, But even when I teelMr Rossi I want to work with him I am not allowed to see the Miami factory ?
    T Lee Buyea – Fla. ews Service, Miami, Fl. UDSA

  7. T Lee Buyea - Flas. New Service

    April 3, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    Sometimes the simplest thing is over looked, Mr Rossi about a year ago presented his small 5,000 watt version of the E-Cats, For demonstration.
    He later claimed it would run continuously for 6 months to a year on one fuelling and then be easy enough to refule the customer could do it.
    OK So where is just one 5,000 watt E-Cat running ?
    Just one ? Where is it ?
    Even in one of Mr Rossi’s secret labs or factories, Where is just one running ?
    No one wants his E-Cats to work more than I, I live in Miami and want to work at the Miami E-Cat factory and sell and inform and be teck support for E-Cats, But even when I tell Mr Rossi I want to work with him I am still not allowed to see the Miami factory ?
    T Lee Buyea – Fla. News Service, Miami, Fl. USA