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Russia & Japan eCat Licences For Sale

February 16, 2012

There seems to be some confusion in the ranks about Rossi accepting money. While he has indicated that he will not take it from the general public, his intention to start business after the 28th Oct test was always loud and clear. He often references partners and we all know that the fall-out with Defkalion was (according to AR) about money. They were supposed to be funded to the tune of $200m. He spoke a number of times about territorial licensees (including the eCat.com owners). Arguing now that this must be a scam because he is secretly taking investors’ funds is daft. Yes, it is motive and may be a smoking gun but it could also be the smell of things getting done. In other words, it says nothing about the validity or otherwise of his claims.

Today, he has been more explicit. Soliciting bids for the territories of Russia and Japan, he informs us that most others are gone and that he will organise a convention of the licensees and announce their names. If we get lucky, that will go better than the reveal of the 1MW customer identities.

Andrea Rossi
February 16th, 2012 at 7:21 AM

IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
Information regarding Leonardo Corporation’s Commercial License Policy:
Since some clown ( probably a “millionaire” clown, who has teamed up with a puppet snake) has put on the net an unvalid invoice from Leonardo Corporation, while our attorneys are working on the issue, I deem opportune to clarify the policy of Leonardo Corporation regarding the commercial licenses.
We give exclusive commercial licenses for limited territories. When the interested persons ask to us a commercial license to sell the E-Cats we make an offer. The price of the license depends on many factors, regarding the Territory. If the interested persons agree upon the text that we propose, we send a text of an agreement, which is obviously covered by NDA. The uncorrect persons do not respect the NDA and our attorneys take care of them. After the interested persons sign the agreement, we send an invoice, and the agreement is deemed valid only after the payment of the license fee is done within the term agreed. If the payment is not done, the agreement expires and that invoice for which the payment has not been made is compensated in the accounting by a credit memo.
When a Customer asks to buy a product of Leonardo Corp, he is addressed to the proper licensee.
All the persons interested to our commercial licenses can send the request and a description of their organization to:
info@leonardocorp1996.com
I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees. The most important Territories in which we have not yet found the right licensee are:
1- Russia
2- Japan
We take this occasion to solicit the People interested to these territories to contact us. Attention: we give the licences only to Organizations which are settled inside the Territories for which they want to buy the license.
Warm Regards,
Andrea Rossi
CEO of Leonardo Corp.

As an aside, I thought the following whimsical post shows that he has not lost his sense of humour:

Andrea Rossi
February 16th, 2012 at 9:18 AM
Timeo Danaos Et Dona Ferentes:
This ancient Roman verse means, substantially, “beware of they who give you gifts” (just to make it short). It reminds me of some millionaires around who dispense free millions. What scares me of such subjects is the facility with which they can bet millions: you know, I come from a family where money has always been hard to be gained, and what I learnt from my father is that to earn money is very difficult and takes a lot of hard work. Therefore I admire all these supermen , able to earn the money so easily to be able to bet millions, just like that. So I have put attention in one of them: he made money selling soup in groceries. Wow! If I will be born in a next life, you bet, I will sell soup in groceries: so I said to a friend of mine. But he told me:” Andrea, don’t be stupid: when a soup seller makes millions, in best cases they are money launderers”. But I explained to him: in this case this is just impossible, the person in question is for sure a gentleman, a very good person, I swear on it. He has not been able to answer. So I remained convinced that all these millionaires who sell soups and make millions are very good persons, honest and rich. Under a Calvinist point of view they got from the Lord the prize for their hard work and they merited it.
p.s. We will sell the E-Cats with a can of soup inside, as a bonus.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

[With thanks to AB]

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58 Responses to Russia & Japan eCat Licences For Sale

  1. Pekka Janhunen Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    The Licensees’ Convention might be Leonardo’s answer to DGT’s independent testing campaign which is scheduled to begin on Feb 24.

  2. Camilo Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    Well, the plot thickens, and the thicks also get thicker. I remain hopeful.

  3. GreenWin Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Looks like a well constructed scenario. Leonardo and Dafkalion both have near-ready systems, licensees, and proof of product plans.

    No wonder the mill stones are restless.

    Further indication the fusion boys are running scared:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/feb/09/accelerator-nuclear-reactor

    Moving to thorium, in the form of ADSR; except it costs billions and relies on a centralized grid (if it works.) Those days are fading. Home heating and electric appliances are here to stay.

    AR, hold the soup… I’ll take a nice pasta prima vera with my e-cat.

  4. psi Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Ditto what Greenwin says. Great news, Mr. Rossi, we look forward to learning more details asap.

  5. Lu Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    I find it difficult to believe that $200M has been collected without definitive proof that the E-Cat works or that it will pass certification. Again we have only Rossi’s word about this.

    And speaking of Rossi’s word, Rossi only says that “payment of the license fee is done within the term agreed” so this could mean only a good faith deposit and and escrow deposit of the remainder into an account.

    Defkalion is doing a test next week according to a post on the DGT forum and it will be the Greek government according to Sterling Allen trip report. If this ends well it will be a big bump for Rossi as well, IMO.

    By the way, where did the $200M figure come from?

    • Renzo Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm

      The investors can do private tests under NDA. Rossi & C. have absolutely no reason to satisfy our curiosity. Any public demo from Rossi or Defkalion will be done only for publicity and not for convincing their investors!

  6. AB Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    By the way, where did the $200M figure come from?

    Defkalion was supposed to pay that sum to Rossi but refused since he couldn’t offer proof that the e-cat could maintain a stable reaction.

    At least, that’s according to the rumors.

    It’s also possible that Defkalion came up with excuses to avoid paying after stealing the ecat secrets.

    • Lu Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 5:19 pm

      Oh, so it looks like I misinterpreted the post. I thought the $200M has been collected by Rossi with these licensing fees. I wonder how much he’s actually collected then.

    • B Fast Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 5:22 pm

      Defkalion has spoken on this issue. They clearly stated that their contract required a 48 hour demo, which did not happen. If you have followed the Defkallion chatter, it was clear for a month or two after the relationship broke that they were doing everything they could to restore the relationship. Suddenly, at some point, they quit offering a hand of reconciliation, and said that they had their own thing. I therefore believe that Defkalion didn’t seek a way to make their own technology until after the relationship with Rossi broke down. Further, the way that this story unfolded has an interesting air of legitimacy to it.

      Of further note, it doesn’t seem that Defkalion is going to follow the patent route. It looks, rather, that they are going to get product on the street, and count on their good name to hold them after competition arrives. There will be lots of competition unless a very strong patent holds it back. There has to be, the market for this technology is vast.

      • Pachu Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm

        Nice writing.

        If you think the issues current tech devices (tablets, smartphones, etc.) are going thru each one on patent stuff (lots and lots of patent issues, specially on the software) owned by others, i can think that CALENR device as DGT calls hyperion may only eventually have a minor patent problem, not enough to change anything.

      • Timar Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 5:45 pm

        A very insightful assessment. Indeed, given all the published data and past records this seems to me by far the most probable course of events.

      • AB Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm

        Of further note, it doesn’t seem that Defkalion is going to follow the patent route. It looks, rather, that they are going to get product on the street, and count on their good name to hold them after competition arrives.

        One would assume that the Hyperion is the result of industrial espionage – how could it be otherwise? Defkalion will struggle to maintain a good reputation if they cannot sway the public opinion on this matter.

        That said, compared to Rossi’s mercurial character and lackluster PR skills they look like professionals. Let’s see if they can provide convincing tests.

  7. Dale G. Basgall Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Well it appears by those e-mails Dr. Rossi is a little wacked out. What comes from a mans mouth in words reflects what is in his mind. That goes for e-mails also.

    Those e-mails are what was needed to really get out the intent of the e-cat, even if he said it in a joking mannor which I cannot imagine any logical man making that statement. (RE Quote Rossi;”I must add that practically all the world’s Territories have been already licensed. Soon we will organize a convention of all our Licensees, for the presentation of the E-Cat, in the final shape that will be marketed, and in that occasion we will give the full list of all our Licensees.”)

    Like I said in the first posts made here a year ago “It seems this could make a good underdog episode!”

  8. Tony Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    I think a lot of you are too far down the rabbit hole to see this for what it is.

    Any corporation organized enough to have secured licensees in most of the world markets, and also purportedly organized enough to be protecting its IP through a team of lawyers, does not make a major solicitation announcement in the form of a rambling paranoid blog post from its CEO. Nor do their CEOs wear so many hats.

    If there were indeed in place multiple territory licensing agreements, and huge preparations being made for mass production, there would be a trail of easily found evidence.

    I hope Rossi has a breakthrough energy. But this is not the way in which such matters are ever handled in successful ventures.

    • Ransompw Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 6:45 pm

      I agree with you completely, nothing Rossi does or says makes much sense conventionally. Defkalion on the other hand (other then they really have shown nothing) is acting as I would expect a business to act. Go figure.

      • Al Potenza Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 7:09 pm

        Maybe so but the video they released was not impressive and the equipment in it looked pretty dodgy.

        I also agree with Tony but I don’t find more encouragement in Defkalion so far. Didn’t they promise Greek regulatory approval would be done in Q4 of 2011?

    • AB Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 7:07 pm

      Are you saying that Rossi does not strike you as good CEO?

      Me neither. He fits the stereotype of eccentric inventor unconcerned with appearance rather well though, even down to the hair.

      • Tony Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 8:39 pm

        Yep, a very, very poor con-man. Implication is: he isn’t a con, carnie, what-ever-you-want-to-call-it.

  9. georgehants Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Defkalion have agreed to Smiths challenge and are awaiting his formal offer.
    How long will this take if we ever see it.
    Is Smith a Fraud, is Smith a con artist, where does he get finance, do people donate to his fund.
    Why has he not responded.
    His legs are to short.

    • C M Edwards Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 7:34 pm

      It’s after hours in Australia. Let him sleep on it.

      • Tony Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 8:43 pm

        Dick’s an old ‘fella, he’ll not be sleeping much – and I mean by that, that older people require less sleep, nothing insulting.

        So he’ll be answering soon.

    • Ben Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      I think Dick was too busy today giving an interview to Gibbs at Forbes. I have little doubt the article will be a hatchet job of Rossi, Defkalion, and who knows who else. Based on comments he made here last night, a new twist to the story is that many commenters on blogs covering this story are really investors in the “scam.”

      “I wonder how many of the believers who post on all the Rossi blogs are also investors? Lots and lots I would guess.”

      http://ecatnews.com/?p=2038#comment-17547

      Do not be surprised to see that accusation in the Forbes article. In one fell swoop many innocent people will be cast as complicit in a scam. Likely that charge will appear on Forbes and it will be repeated across the ‘Net.

      Class-action suit anyone?

      • Tony Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 8:45 pm

        It will be, but if Rossi’s investors are canny, this will play massively to their advantage.

    • dsm Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 9:13 pm

      George

      Dick Smith is an Australian equivalent to Bill Gates.

      He is a very energetic person who made multiple personal fortunes. He started out building a national chain of electronics parts stores that he sold many many years ago for $20-25 mill. That was his 1st venture.

      He did first solo around the world helicopter flight in a Jetranger helicopter. That is now in a Sydney museum.

      He and his wife donate millions to charities and good causes. Dick is a promoter of anything that improves ordinary people’s lives.

      His offer here was not a simple publicity stunt (he doesn’t need that) but he is convinced that the behavior of Rossi and Defkalion is questionable (in the extreme) and he will do what he can to warn ordinary people not to part with money for anything associated with this unless they are totally satisfied it works or they can afford to lose their investment.

      He is a magnanimous enough person to pay over the stake money if either party can meet what he would call a full and honest test. He offered to have Kullander & Essen repeat their evaluation of Rossi’s eCat but with a few loopholes closed up.

      Cheers

      Doug M

      • daniel maris Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 9:24 pm

        Why hasn’t he answered the question about whether he has reported Rossi and DGT to the Australian, Greek, Italian and American authorities? He says he wants to stop the (alleged) fraud. Surely that is the most effective way.

        • dsm Reply

          February 16, 2012 at 9:46 pm

          Email him and ask.

          Send your email to Dick Smith c/o Australian Geographic. (google it).

          Dick is a very busy man. Funnily it seems Rossi has more spare time than Dick Smith does.

          Cheers

          Doug M

      • georgehants Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 9:35 pm

        Hi Doug, protecting people unable to judge an investment is something that is universal and almost impossible to achieve in this age, as advising them to put their money in a well know bank is leaving them open to being screwed out of their savings.
        In the case of high risk technology etc people do not need protecting as those that invested in unknown start-ups such as Apple or Microsoft, that many would have advised against as to risky, have made a fortune.
        That is what investment is a business gamble.
        You makes yer choice and don’t whine if you make a mistake and invest in a lemon.
        These people, maryyugo etc. have no benevolent motivation, they are simply maladjusted like a naughty child in a school room.
        One must give Smith just like Rossi and Defkalion every chance to do as they say and never prejudge.
        As I said to GreenWin I was only showing how silly all these allegations and abusive comments are.

        • dsm Reply

          February 16, 2012 at 9:49 pm

          George

          “Hi Doug, protecting people unable to judge an investment is something that is universal and almost impossible to achieve in this age, as advising them to put their money in a well know bank is leaving them open to being screwed out of their savings.”

          That may be so. I personally take the view that investors should do their due diligence.

          Dick is arguing the case that mom and pop investors are much more at the mercy of con men and if he can alert them to threats he will do what he can. People here listen to him.

          Cheers

          Doug M

          • Tony

            February 16, 2012 at 10:01 pm

            I would really like to see evidence thst Rossi has been directly targetting the man on the street, which is the implication here.

          • dsm

            February 17, 2012 at 12:00 am

            Tony

            It happened here in Australia when Sol Millin sought people to attend a seminar on Rossi eCats & made it clear he was looking for investment (so he could buy the Aust eCat dist rights). He was asking ordinary folk to put $s in. This is where the money chain starts. The device at that date was essentially unproven but people were being asked to invest. That is a traditional scam alert esp when the claims are so world changing.

            http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/mullumbimby-helping-to-save-world-20120112-1pxj2.html

            Doug M

          • Tony

            February 17, 2012 at 12:40 am

            As far as I understand it, this was a Sol Millin initiative. I’ve yet to see firm evidence that Rossi has been directly asking for money.

            The Sydney Morning Herald article I remember reading stated that Mr Bryce would be attending a meeting and, if he were convinced, Dick would contribute $200,000 to Sol’s group.

            I understand that there’s an invoice floating around – but is there incontrovertible evidence linking Rossi to that?

            If you can produce that evidence, then great!

            If not, you and/or Dick should never have mentioned it.

  10. georgehants Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Amazing how quite it goes when maryyugo and his clowns are off licking their wounds and planning a new strategy such as —-
    We always knew Defkalion would except the offer, we really want Cold Fusion to succeed, we where only joking.
    Does Smith have a criminal record, has he received a parking ticket.
    Why has he not shown a bank statement proving he has the money.

    • HanzJager Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 8:17 pm

      Does he even exist? I have yet to see a birth certificate! ;)

    • Tony Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 8:49 pm

      No George, and welcome back, they’re having a kip.

    • GreenWin Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 9:00 pm

      George, this particular topic is about the ongoing developments with Defkalion and Leonardo. Both seem well on track and are doing a splendid job of frustrating the trolls. Some clever minds behind these operations.

      As for Mr. “Dickhead” Smith, his PR down under is damaged by old business failures. Seeking to counter the sad news, he’s looking for a new source of attention:

      http://www.smh.com.au/business/earnings-season/woolies-to-sell-dick-smith-as-sales-disappoint-20120131-1qqdd.html

      Meanwhile trolls should keep working to explain how CERN made an about face on LANR. Don’t CERN know public recognition of verboten technology is forbidden by the… tower?

      http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=177379

      • Tony Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 9:12 pm

        Ah well, perhaps Dick is being sensible and assessing his next investment opportunity.

      • georgehants Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 9:16 pm

        GreenWin, yes he certainly seems like most of these people, very unpleasant.
        My couple of comments are of course just childish examples of how silly these people are.
        We can only judge Smiths sincerity re the offer by his actions, if he proceeds he is honourable, if not well, but we can make no prejudgement and must give him every opportunity to show his honesty.

      • Al Potenza Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 9:29 pm

        “As for Mr. “Dickhead” Smith, his PR down under is damaged by old business failures. Seeking to counter the sad news, he’s looking for a new source of attention…”

        Calling famous industrialists who are willing to participate in a discussion on this site “dickheads” doesn’t add to the dignity of the site. I hope the administrator takes notice.

        Most people who resort to name calling do it because they have run out of ideas and are becoming desperate.

        As long as he has the million dollars and places it in escrow in return for a good test of Defkalion’s technology, Mr. Smith’s other credentials make no difference at all, whatever they be, good or questionable.

        • GreenWin Reply

          February 16, 2012 at 9:50 pm

          Al, I am referring to Mr. Smith’s “invention” of a product presumably named after himself – Dickhead Matches. From an earlier post:

          Tune in to Dick “Dickhead” Smith, inventor of wildly amusing “Dickhead Matches,” featuring a screaming woman on the box. This invention puts Rossi to shame. A Swedish company claimed infringement, which Dickheads won.

          “Whilst Dick is happy to concede that he did copy the concept of the packaging from Redheads, he goes on to say that careful measures were taken to make Dickheads packaging significantly different from Redheads packaging,” said Phil Morrel, Dickhead Controller.

          Thank goodness! Suppose that makes Smith, the Dickhead inventor, something of a copycat mimic parrot kinda guy. Not that it’s bad… Just the fact.

          • Al Potenza

            February 17, 2012 at 12:54 am

            OK. Sorry I jumped on you then if he used the phrase himself. I hope he gets his Defkalion test and also that he insists on it being done right.

        • Tony Reply

          February 16, 2012 at 10:02 pm

          Yes, Dick’s matches are (in)famous!

      • dsm Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 9:34 pm

        GreenWin

        Sorry but you are letting emotion cloud your good and understandable interest in LENR.

        You have a lot of support in believing in LENR.

        Re your link to Woolies Selling the Dick Smith chain of stores – that needs context.

        You may not realize it but Dick Smith sold his stores to Woolworths close on 32 years ago ! 32 YEARS ! – so what does that link have to do with Dick Smith the man today ?

        Please do just a little bit of research before posting unrelated stuff that has nothing to do with Dick Smiths success as it paints you as a ranting loon.

        You have your heart in the right place. Now just use your brain.

        Doug M

        “In 1980, the company had grown to 20 stores and the company’s working capital was so much that he sold 60% of the company’s working share to Woolworths Limited. Smith sold the balance to Woolworths in 1982 and it took full ownership of the company.[5] The company continued to add to its network of small “main street” stores in suburbs and regional cities across Australia. Today there are about 200 company-owned Dick Smith Electronics stores, with authorised stockists in country areas.”

        • GreenWin Reply

          February 16, 2012 at 9:58 pm

          Just calling ‘em the way I see em Doug. I am sure Mr. Smith is an honorable guy. I like his fierce Aussie patriotism. But he’s an entrepreneur who like others, knows the value of homemade controversy. LANR is a real science and two companies claim to be building commercial products from it.

          Dropping in out of the blue to throw money around for “tests” is unnecessary at this stage and we should all know who and perhaps why someone is doing so. Sorry, but at this late stage is has a troll-like appearance.

          • dsm

            February 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm

            GreenWin

            I do agree with Dick’s concern that people really are being talked into parting with money to invest in an as yet unproven process (as Sol Millin was attempting to do).

            Dick has a ton more experience than I have at running businesses & what people will try to do to fool you into parting with money.

            I still believe firmly in LENR and believe that Dennis Bushnell (Chief scientist at NASA) really was right when he conveyed on Sept 22 2011 – the existential risk has passed, it is now only a matter of engineering the solutions – (not 100% what he said but the same – am too lazy today to go find his exact words).

            I want to believe in Rossi & Defkalion. A succesful test will be very exciting.

            Doug M

          • dsm

            February 16, 2012 at 11:53 pm

            PS

            The recent appearance of Dick Smith was because only a few weeks back Sol MIllin asked Dick to put forward $200,000 towards an Aust license for eCats that Millin wanted to buy.

            Dick sent a skeptic called Ian Bryce along to a meeting organized by Sol Millin in the NSW town of Mullumbimby. Ian was scathing of the eCat testing. I never agreed with Ian’s comments & think they were provocative but I do agree that Ian and Dick have every right to want to alert people to what they are convinced is a massive scam.

            Dick asks us to go look at this as it helps explain where he is coming from …

            http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/05/04/firepower-the-most-spectacular-fraud-in-australian-history/

            Millin may be a nice guy but a lot of things he has said paint him as living in fairyland & blinded by visions of great wealth selling eCats in Australia. Dick could see this aspect.

            Doug M

    • dsm Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 9:20 pm

      George

      I have vouched for Dick Smith and his sincerity elsewhere.

      I originally said he was like an Aust Bill Gates but a better comparison is Virgin’s Richard Branson or Steve Fossett (rip). Dick has done some amazing adventures.

      Do a google (can’t understand why you haven’t ??? George saying what you are saying without some homework is making you look stupid !)

      http://www.aussietycoon.com/showthread.php/30-Dick-Smith-Australian-Electronics-Retail-amp-Aviation-Magnate

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Smith

      http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/recipients/?m=dick-smith-1986

      http://www.scouts.com.au/main.asp?iStoryID=848

      http://www.dicksmithflyer.com.au/

      Doug M

      • JNewman Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 10:01 pm

        Doug, I wish you luck in dealing with those individuals here who insist on personal attacks the moment any of their cherished opinions are questioned. There are sensible and valid arguments to be made in the arena of ideas without resorting to ad hominem attacks. I guess that is difficult for some people.

  11. Frost* Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    From Vortex posted by Ron Kita

    http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-02-metal-catalyst-hydrogen-fuel-reaction.html

    More evidence of Nickel and H working together.
    Nice find Ron!

    • daniel maris Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 9:21 pm

      Yes – sounds like Rossi and DGT are using the right materials.

    • GreenWin Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 9:31 pm

      Interesting. But their goal is to produce H2 as an energy carrier. LANR of course produces a nuclear-type reaction releasing a huge energy compared to the input. PNNL is at least working with the nickel lattice – whose geometry is key to the LANR reaction.

      Here’s another interesting take (from the oil industry!) on CERN’s acceptance of a colloquium on LANR by Prof. Celani:

      http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Physicists-Meet-at-CERN-to-Discuss-Progress-Made-on-Cold-Fusion.html

      • Tony Reply

        February 16, 2012 at 9:33 pm

        Indeed.

    • Peter Roe Reply

      February 16, 2012 at 11:11 pm

      This catalyst seems from the description to consist of an arrangement of nickel atoms superimposed on a nickel base. Rossi has said that analysing his fuel would not reveal the catalyst, and this system might explain how this could be the case.

      “The same catalyst then breaks the single bond in the hydrogen molecule, releasing electrons to do work.” I.e. this catalyst does exactly what is needed in an original-style e-cat – it ionises hydrogen and releases free electrons into the nickel lattice electron cloud.

  12. Defender Reply

    February 16, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    I’m wondering why nobody so far has discussed this argument so far:
    For 1M$ Mr. Smith could already buy 1 MW E-CAT plant! And before purchasing, he, or his person of trust, could test it.

    Now, please tell me, what route would you go: suggest a “proove” that is already outside the guaranteed specifications, or would you take the money, go to Leonardocorp and buy a 1 MW plant and can make all the tests you want?

    I also don’t agree, that Rossi’s were suspicious. In fact i think it is a behaviour of a true inventor, not of a cold businessman.

    And Hyperion, if it ever exists, already has lost:
    The E-Cat with 10kW is much better used for home applications.
    It can be refueled by the users themselfes.
    And it will be priced @50 USD/kWh power.

    And Rossi is still trying to get a patent.
    Now under these circumstances, do you really believe, that DGT will find licensees, that invest tens of millions, if it is not guaranteed, that the technology could be stolen and become illegal, in the case the patent being granted?

    And regarding the argument that DGT acting professionally:
    Rossi has named a very attractive price. So the key for DGT would be to be on the market as fast a possible, because once Rossi’s factory starts to produce E-CATs that work in few months, it will be too late, to get a feet on the ground. Rossi will smash any competition by price.

    Greece is a dysfunctional, completely corrupt state. Why do still so many believe, that the product of DGT wil be reliable and be able to compete with a product that gets input from well respected US-companies?

    Rossi has been working on LENR for twenty years. How long has DGT been working on it? And some of you believe this is a result of their own work?

    I’m glad that Rossi smelled the bait, left and chose the professional route torwards the USA. This will alloow him to achieve fast results, while with DGT it would take years and probably with a typical mediterranean “quality”.

  13. GreenWin Reply

    February 17, 2012 at 12:23 am

    Here’s another look at the rather silly attack directed at MIT’s Prof Hegelstein:

    http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/02/09/now-a-little-controversy-involving-cold-fusion/

    Soon as these attacks arise, they are batted down by reason and logic. Late next week Defkaleon begins third party tests of their offering.

    Here is a very interesting signal from of all places the US Dept of Energy. Dr. Chu, following up on President Obama’s directive to expand clean, renewable energy, visited Thermal Energy Inc. in Texas. A facility providing Combined Heating and Power (and cooling) to an enormous medical center.

    http://www.energylawtimes.com/energy-secretary-steven-chu-visits-thermal-energy-corporation/

    The significance is the DOE’s recognition of location-based energy systems, called “district” energy. CHP and micro-CHP is the system most likely to use LANR for homes. With US and UK governments supporting CHP and micro-CHP, we come once step closer to accepting home energy appliances.

    The future looks bright and exciting.

  14. Brad Arnold Reply

    February 17, 2012 at 9:01 am

    I’d like to ask: isn’t it plausible that Rossi mistrusts Mr Dick Smith’s “wager?” (i.e. rather than Rossi the fraud being unable to win the wager).

    I’m a master at chess, and I know when I play that I tend to overlook and ignore lines of play where I might gain spectacularly, because in the past those lines tended to be an illusion, and I was better off just keeping with my slow and steady plan that can be very likely to win.

    Rossi has a game plan, and why should Mr Smith throw him off his game? How many people die in video games trying to maximize? At first glance Mr Smith appeared to be a publicity hound that was offering a lost leader offer, and would use unscruplous means to keep from paying off. But then I read his bio, and realized his wealth was such that a million dollars more or less wouldn’t be a big deal to him, but finding a silver bullet energy technology is his real goal (life is too short for him to get his kicks falsely offering a reward, then attaching impossible conditions).

    Rossi’s statement at his first news conference that the time for words is over and if somebody has a LENR device they ought to instead just successfully commercialize it was thought of by me as pessimistic (surely people would respond positively to a successful demonstration of said device). Rossi turned out to be very farsighted: I now agree with Rossi that no amount of demonstrations, no matter how they are constructed, will convince most people.

    Therefore, I am forced to agree with Rossi that it isn’t the correct thing for Rossi to do to try and collect Mr Smith’s 1 million dollars. No, Rossi has a game plan, and ought not detour to get an extra mil. Hopefully Defkalion (who has a different game plan) can capitalize on Mr Smith’s offer.

  15. Defender Reply

    February 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Rossi seems to be a very educated and grounded person. I’m following his blog for more than a year and he explained from the beginning his approach:

    What was it, that brought the end of the horse-age? Was it academical discussion? No. It was the available and working product, that was driving on the streets.

    Once i read that, i was almost convinced, that he was real – contrary to the whole “free engergy”-scene: all the time breakthrough inventions, but no finished products. And why? Because of the evil industry.
    I was sick of this stupid argument, because conventional energy companys are not the only one with money.
    It’s very easy, if you have a revolutionary product, to find venture capital.
    So this whole scene deserves no credibility.

    And then suddenly a man like Rossi appears and says he did not want to convince sceptics and waste his time, he will make them all shut up by the working products.

  16. Charles Edward Frith (@charlesfrith) Reply

    February 18, 2012 at 2:49 am

    I’m looking forward to seeing these on the market. I’v no time for the sceptards who have nothing better to do.

  17. stan Reply

    February 29, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    this is a scam

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