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Rossi: eCat 10,000 Target Achieved

December 9, 2011

On November 21st, 2011, Andrea Rossi opened a list with the following announcement on his blog:

Andrea Rossi

Dear Felipe From Chile:
You are right, we are organizing this.
BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH 10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION .
WARM REGARDS,
ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT)

Less than five days later, he told us that he was close to making the target. Now, answering a question and without fanfare, AR claims that the list has made the 10,000 threshold required to make small domestic units at 400 Euro/kW viable.

  • Dear Mr. Rossi,

    As one who has signed up to receive a home plant when they become available I am curious to know if you have attained the 10,000 unit potential orders you are shooting for? Can you tell us the number of requests received to date, or if you have achieved your stated goals, yes or no?

    Also, I would be happy to hear of your progress with the heat to electrical conversion for the household e-cat…

    God speed with your endeavors for all mankind,
    Neil Taylor

The list is non-binding and we are not likely to see anything soon. Its apparent purpose was commercial exploration. Assuming that all goes well and the picture matches AR’s depiction, we might expect the small domestic 10kW units to be on sale in less than two years but perhaps little more than one year. The biggest factor will be in constructing a design that passes certification. Thus, any roll-out will vary from country to country.

Meanwhile Defkalion continues its march, sticking to its estimate of ‘soon’ when talking about certification. Unlike Rossi, their strategy seems to be fast global roll-out, concentrating on small affordable devices (up to 45kW) designed for wide distribution. Recently, the company said that a change in Greek law would help expedite this process. If true and if Greece leads the way in making the Hyperion a legal sale in that country, such a move would blow this thing wide open.

It is quite incredible that, once more, so close to an apparent ‘explosion’ of LENR on to the world stage, we still lack definitive proof that we are not falling down the rabbit hole. I was more encouraged by DGT’s spec sheet than most and believe that such a demonstration of good design is a soft indicator of substance. Even so, it is also true that – unlike Rossi – Defkalion has demonstrated nothing but words. In many ways however, their plans are easier to grasp in the cut and stab of good business. If – as they appear to be – they are marshaling their efforts to come out fighting, then any demonstration will hopefully be incontestable.

I cannot help the feeling that if the eCat and Hyperion match their makers’ claims, an opportunity to occupy the commercial high-ground is being squandered. Surely, whichever party demonstrates to the world that this is true (something very easy to do) will be swept along on a tidal wave of money leaving the other trying to play catch-up. Perhaps Defkalion is so confident that Rossi will not play that game that they do not consider the threat worthy of premature action.

The ability to follow such machinations in real-time is a privilege and a thrill-ride but, as seen in the TV series Lost, there comes a time when the mystery turns to frustration and you’d sell your granny for answers. Sorry Gran, that time is close.

 

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62 Responses to Rossi: eCat 10,000 Target Achieved

  1. Mahron Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Lost was a scam.

    • Bartek Reply

      December 10, 2011 at 10:16 pm

      Hello
      One interesting info. Now te website e-cat.com redirect to http://www.google.com/green/

      it’s interesting if Rossi have some contacts with google.

  2. Peter Hunt Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Glad you hit it. The money is ready when you are although I worry about the gvernment permits. After all they are afraid of real and disturbing progress. Change is not really welcome here.

    Obama likes the status quo and is hardly adventuresome.

  3. jenda Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    hallo admin
    your english language and the your diction is fantastics.
    I am glad read that sentence. Time is full. Rossi’s claim gone the rollout world

  4. Josh Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    It’s official, there’s a market for cheap heat!! For his next project, Rossi will determine if there is also a market for cheap food!

    • Martin Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 1:52 pm

      Cheap food – like thousands of green houses all over the colder climes growing foods and heated by super cheap eCat technology, I hope so.

      • Josh Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 2:51 pm

        I hope so too, but Rossi is [obviously] buying time. Did he really need to test the waters to determine if there was demand for his product? Of course not. If he could provide a working product, he couldn’t possibly keep up with the demand. Unfortunately, he seems to keep talking and making promises so that people don’t lose interest after his lone “sale” to a mystery customer. I guess it works – I still read this site.

    • peter cowen Reply

      December 11, 2011 at 2:17 pm

      Genius. Glad you spotted it, no one else did!

      There is also a possible market for people wanting a million dollars for free, lets investigate it!

  5. Ivy Matt Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    The ability to follow such machinations in real-time is a privilege and a thrill-ride but, as seen in the TV series Lost, there comes a time when the mystery turns to frustration and you’d sell your granny for answers.

    Or change the channel to watch a more enlightening show.

  6. Pekka Janhunen Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Rossi’s answer “yes” is a bit ambiguous, in principle it might also mean that the list achieved its goal of commercial exploration. In that case there might not have been exactly 10,000 names yet, but a sufficient number from Rossi’s point of view that the list had satisfied its goals.

  7. CM Edwards Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    4000 euros purchase price… Can’t forget an additional cushion for shipping and installation costs, say 50% for the whole custom-built system… Yeah, I could do that in two years. I figure a home improvement loan will cover anything I can’t save for.

    Now I just need a few product reviews to make my selection.

  8. RW Simon Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    If I found the largest gold mine in history, what I would do is open a jewelry store in a strip mall and sell rings and necklaces. That way I could make hundreds of thousands of dollars while protecting my billion dollar motherlode from being stolen. Yeah, that’s what I would do.

    • AH Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 3:10 pm

      And then people would laugh at your insane business model and reason that you must be a fraudster selling fake gold. That would be tragic.

    • TomAndersen Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 3:22 pm

      If I found the largest gold mine in history – but one that could be duplicated by a GE or Siemens in 12 months, then I would want to keep a low profile until I was actually shipping units. A two year head start on these large companies will make Rossi and Defkalion worth billions.

      If its all true, then you don’t want to show your hand until as late as possible. Its a matter of months before we know, as there are just too many ecats out there – some real test results will start to start leak out. There are at least 100 ecats built – more if you listen to Rossi. Plus Defkalion.

      What would GE pay for a solid year advance in getting something like this to market – likely multiple billions. That is the real play for Rossi. A GE or Siemens would look at this, and say ‘we can do that’ – but the year they would save, plus the hassle of IP would mean that Rossi/Defkalion could easily be bought out.

      • RWSimon Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 4:04 pm

        The largest gold mine in history – in fact, all the gold in the world – would be chump change compared with a source of endless, essentially free energy. We are talking trillions of dollars in value. Nobody – neither some engineer in Italy nor some multinational corporation – will corner the market on it.

        If the ecat is what Rossi claims it is, he will become the most famous person on the planet and will become outrageously wealthy just from the book rights, television appearances and other rewards for being mankind’s savior. He really doesn’t need to scramble for bucks selling ecats.

        • TomAndersen Reply

          December 9, 2011 at 5:32 pm

          true enough

        • GreenWin Reply

          December 10, 2011 at 5:25 am

          RW… “television appearances?” Last we heard AFTRA scale for a non-dramatic role is $1032.00 Chump change compared to a royalty on worldwide e-cat sales.

          His lawyer/agents will negotiate 15% gross on all sales and derivative works for the duration of patents. If Rossi is good to intent, 90% will go into a charitable trust.

  9. Adam Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    I’m not so sure Rossi has reached the 10,000 target.

    Rossi may just be saying yes to the second part of the first question “…..or if you have achieved your stated goals, yes or no?”

  10. Dale G. Basgall Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    That is really cool news, now with that list any bank will gladly finance his work to make his own products. I think that’s a great business plan and it makes logical sense.

    • Josh Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 6:00 pm

      No, not any bank will finance his plans. No one committed to buying anything – and no one will buy anything unless Rossi is able to prove it works – either through a reputable company or an entirely convincing public display. If you are a businessman, you have been very lucky.

      • Roger Bird Reply

        December 10, 2011 at 4:04 pm

        The bankers will get all excited until they consult an “expert” or a skeptic.

  11. Richard Blaser Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    see the following web-page with a german electric generator driven by hot steam :

    http://www.otag.de

    • Peter Roe Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 5:31 pm

      Neat – and very compact. I think that Rossi probably needs to look at that. It would have to be able to run at 50/60 operational cycles per second to be useful for domestic or small scale power generation.

  12. georgehants Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    If only people would show the same frustrations with main-line science that they do with Rossi and Defkalion.
    Some weeks ago CERN released a report of possible faster than light neutrinos, we all allow for the fact that ,more research must be done to confirm or deny the effect,they do not answer comments as to how they are progressing, but we accept that in due time the report will follow, or like Cold Fusion be hidden for 23 years.
    Rossi and Defkalion are playing by different rules, whether it is a scam or reality, be patient and enjoy the show,

    • DvH Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 3:52 pm

      the difference between the fast neutrinos and CF is, that ‘the’ fast neutrino-experiment can be repeated any time with the same result (in that setting).
      because the effect is, lets say, surprising, they need to repeat and look for all possibilities of error, including an experiment in another lab.
      when the other lab gets traditional (light speed) results, then traditional science can declare the CERN-result as an error, problem solved and the italians have all the time to find the error in their work. what else should be done? invest more resources into some spurious effect, because some folks with lots of phantasy dream of interstellar travel?
      my bet is, that the italians (or someone independent) will find an embarassing error in their setup.

      things ONLY get exciting, when the second lab finds FTL neutrinos too…

      • quax Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 5:18 pm

        Replicating that FTL CERN experiment is nigh impossible for anybody but CERN. Unless you happen to have a Neutrino source in your backyard.

        • georgehants Reply

          December 9, 2011 at 5:22 pm

          I think you will find the US and Japan are working on that.

        • Peter Roe Reply

          December 10, 2011 at 9:35 am

          Damn – found it under some corrugated iron, but the rats have eaten the muon storage rings.

    • Ivy Matt Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 4:30 pm

      Experimentation, publication, replication. I’ll watch it on whatever channel I can find it. I don’t feel a particular loyalty to any one show. I will say, though, that the Rossi show has had a good run, and still shows no sign of running out of steam (heh). I’m still keeping an eye on it. It’s a guilty pleasure, if nothing else.

  13. georgehants Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Alchemy is good and well.

    From Defkalion

    s12a wrote:
    Is Cu the only “extra” element (not coming from initial materials or other parts of the test system/reactor) you have found in the reaction products?

    Defkalion GT
    No.

    Thank you for not insisting/asking for more datails now.

    • Mahron Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 3:25 pm

      their tricorders have detected traces of unobtainium.

    • Camilo Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 5:03 pm

      That is one of the expected outcomes from nuclear fusion, whatever the temperature scale it might be. The idea of an abundant and cheap energy source paired with a way of creating raw materials “at will” has always been part of the allure of developing hot fusion.

  14. Sojourner Soo Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Yesterday, the government of Canada announced the go ahead for another $9 Billion dollar tarsands project, called Joslyn: http://www.ipolitics.ca/2011/12/08/federal-government-gives-green-light-to-9-billion-joslyn-oilsands-mine-project/

    Also yesterday, these comments appeared on Rossi’s blog:

    ***************************************************
    Nick Pourmi
    December 8th, 2011 at 4:02 PM

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    After all the evidence submitted from your work throughout the year, there is still to these days a deafening roar of unbelief that vested interest-driven rattlesnakes around the world make.

    Why don’t you call for an international press conference in which to state publicly all the achievements you surpass and threats you are facing?
    Best wishes,
    Nick Pourmi
    Andrea Rossi
    December 8th, 2011 at 4:20 PM

    Dear Nick Pourmi:
    We do not give priority to world press conferences. We give priority to make plants, in this period. This is time to work, not to talk.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    ***************************************************

    I would like to literally beg Mr. Rossi to start talking and start talking NOW. I am really and truly beginning to wonder if he even realizes the serious and catastrophic consequences for my country and her citizens, not to mention the entire world’s citizens, which are resulting from his refusal to confirm and make known to the world that this new source of energy genuinely works.

    Please confirm this technology, Mr. Rossi. Hold a damned press conference so that I, in clear conscience and without any more doubts or questions, can tell people the E-Cat works. You are killing the hope of millions of people. If you fail to do this soon, then I will have no choice but to damn you to Hades, sir.

    • Dale G. Basgall Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 4:11 pm

      Reply to Soo:

      That’s deep, wow that person is frustrated.

      • Sojourner Soo Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 4:39 pm

        Dale, we have indigenous peoples being poisoned to death from these cancer-causing tarsands developments. Right now, we have impoverished indigenous children living in tents in -40 Celcius temperatures, or in tar paper shacks with no indoor plumbing, no running water, no electricity, no heat, and slop pails for toilets in Northern Ontario. All this, while Rossi and the US military engage in their secretive development of the E-Cat in nice warm Miami, Florida and elsewhere. This is a disgrace. These scenarios are replicated all over the world, I’ve no doubt. But the freezing cold is something unique to Canadian indigenous peoples. Rossi is fast losing my support with his selfish attitudes and his refusal to definitely confirm this works. He’s depriving people of the one thing they need: HOPE. It’s a bloody disgrace. He’s a bloody disgrace. And you are damned right I’m frustrated. My federal government has only one objective in all of its plans, and that is further development of the Alberta tarsands, to the exclusion of almost everything else. Social change will not move forward this way. Rossi is deliberately holding back Niagara Falls, to use his own analogy. I’m fed up. I will not give him any more free advertising on my page, until he confirms this thing is real.

        @george: No, I had not heard about that. The entire planet is in a serious environmental state, and Rossi just keeps acting like an idiot. Screw him. No more free advertising until he proves it works. He can put up or shut up, as far as I’m concerned. I have no patience for fools.

        • TomAndersen Reply

          December 9, 2011 at 5:39 pm

          The world still needs oil for decades, no matter what happens with the ecat. Ecats could cut costs and make things cleaner in the tar sands. Just think of the mess had they been in China or Russia.

          As far as the treatment of poor people goes in Canada or another country, that’s for another forum.

          • Sojourner Soo

            December 9, 2011 at 6:07 pm

            I agree the world will need oil for some years. What the world does not need is more tarsands development. As for you comment about indigenous peoples, what is this science for? For what other purpose then is the E-Cat but to provide exactly these things, heat, electricity and clean water, to not only the wealthy, but to the world’s poor? Over 85% of the world’s poor live currently without electricity or easily available heat. Maybe Rossi, the US military, and the Republican party that Rossi is busily playing tootsies with, need to start basing their decisions on exactly this fact.

        • GreenWin Reply

          December 10, 2011 at 5:42 am

          Mr. Soo… Your frustration, heartfelt I’m sure is misdirected. Your country, its government and its leaders are the appropriate recipients of your vexation.

          Mr. Rossi and team, are very small players at this stage. You might ask AP’s Science Editor Kit Frieden (kfrieden@ap.org) who sent a photographer and reporter Peter Svensson to witness the October 28th 1MW demo – why no story? No mention. Not a peep?? Huh?? Does the Associated Press hate the human race??

          AP is a worldwide press pool and resource for every mainstream news outlet on the planet. Maybe it’s the AP “depriving people of the one thing they need: HOPE. It’s a bloody disgrace.”

      • Frost* Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 6:02 pm

        I think Soo has a point.

        Everyone needs to see this doc about the tar sands of Canada.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61X4IQqnmd0

        Horrendous rape of a pristine wilderness.

    • Mahron Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 4:11 pm

      By the time that project starts, we will know for sure if the e-cat is fit for the job. The question is : will your government have the balls to stop it ?

      • Sojourner Soo Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm

        Mahron: My government has ZERO intention of ever stopping the tarsands. It will likely do everything in its power to stop Rossi’s E-Cat, however. Which is why he needs to prove it works, once and for all. People can’t put any faith in this technology, if nobody, including Rossi, is prepared to come forward and say it really works.

    • georgehants Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 4:21 pm

      Soo did you see the controversy over the damming of the Mekong river, it will cause untold environmental damage and political unrest.
      Let’s hope Rossi, Defkalion or science come across.

    • Ivy Matt Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 4:32 pm

      It seems somebody isn’t enjoying the show.

    • Josh Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 6:57 pm

      Sojourner Soo: You made a truly rational comment. It appears that you are starting to understand that Rossi’s actions make little sense unless not everything is as he claims. That’s not to say fraud, but perhaps overstatement.

      • Stephen Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 10:37 pm

        So, Josh and Soo, the earth population should be limited to what number, if any?

        • Josh Reply

          December 10, 2011 at 7:26 pm

          I said nothing of the Earth’s population. I was just pointing out that Soo’s reaction to Rossi is finally consistent with his/her worldview.

    • Richy Roo (@RichyRoo2011) Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 10:54 pm

      You dont still believe in CAGW do you? Anybody can see its just a doomsday cult dressed up as pseduo-science by now.

    • Roger Bird Reply

      December 10, 2011 at 4:37 pm

      Please, you are taking yourself WAY too seriously. Everything is OK. Stop fretting. The world is not going to end anytime soon. December 21, 2012 is not going to be the end of the world. Please don’t project your subconscious anxiety on to the world. Try some EFT or light pranayama. This will help to decrease your anxiety.

  15. georgehants Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    From Facebook Giuliano Bettini
    Conference
    ENVIRONMENT HEALTH AND COLD FUSION
    Rome, Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.museoenergia.it%2Feventi.php%3Fidnews%3D523

  16. georgehants Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Report from The Boston Phoenix
    Romney: Hot For Cold Fusion?
    Published Dec 08 2011, 01:25 PM by David S. Bernstein

    http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2011/12/08/romney-hot-for-cold-fusion.aspx

    • Ransompw Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 5:26 pm

      Or perhaps just possibly Rossi is working with the military and the Presidential candidates are being briefed on intel about what might be coming down the pipe. Something like this just doesn’t pop up in a presidential talking point, I find this the most fascinating thing I have read in some time.

      • georgehants Reply

        December 9, 2011 at 5:33 pm

        Ransompw, is it possible that if a President said move, science may move.

        • Ransompw Reply

          December 9, 2011 at 5:41 pm

          George:

          I am not into conspiracies. I think if the Government knew Cold Fusion was real they would fund it or would have funded it. I do think the people who make decisions are NOT scientists and often don’t understand science. As a point of example, I have lobbied for changes in Space Policy for many years, eyes glaze over when things get the least bit technical, so whoever has the ear of the policy maker makes science policy because the policy makers have NO clue. I think up to now with regard to “Cold Fusion” the advisors have been telling the policy makers it is impossible, I think that may have shifted based on this report.

          • georgehants

            December 9, 2011 at 5:55 pm

            Ransompw, thank you, I have to be careful with my reply.
            I have to talk in generalities on these comments and could not agree with you more that we are talking a great deal about administration, I do put administration many times on my comments but usually shorten it to science.
            It surely is the job primarily of scientists to put right any faults in the system.the general public knows nothing about these things.
            I fully sympathise with yours and every seeking scientists point, and only try (boringly) to publicise them.

  17. Don Witcher Reply

    December 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    The Germans have been strangely silent about Rossi and ecats given that they have now firmly rejected conventional nuclear fission power.

    Even all the more strange since they do have a national leader who is fully capable of understanding the technology. Angela Merkel has a Doctorate in Quantum Chemistry and has done research and published in the field.

    Not all politicians are necessarily technically naive.

    • Stephen Reply

      December 9, 2011 at 10:38 pm

      And like I asked before: Anybody working for Bosch cares to comment?

  18. Neil Taylor Reply

    December 10, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Georgehants,

    Yes, I believe it is possible with the right President – look at what President Kennedy did getting us on the moon in less than a decade almost from scratch.

    ps: I like your attitude and comments on all the blogs – keep it up sir…

    • GreenWin Reply

      December 10, 2011 at 5:48 am

      Neil, do not forget, President Kennedy had technology stars on his team. It will take a similar program to fully implement LENR across the planet. For the benefit of all mankind.

  19. Paul Anderson Reply

    December 11, 2011 at 2:58 am

    Everybody’s frustrated with Rossi and the way things are progressing so slowly. I wouldn`t be too sure it will be better once the news hits the mainstream though. It wouldn`t be difficult for Oil lobbyists and spin doctors to hold up LENR for a long long while by relating it to other nuclear processes – people still remember and rightly fear Fukushima. Getting a bunch of E-cat plants into the public domain before the process is taken seriously by those with lots to lose might actually be the best way to go. Once e-cats have been publicly located in several countries, operating without pollution or radiation, it should be easier to get them certified. LENR is huge and while I`m not a fan of conspiracy theories the status quo has All the money and All the power right now, and everything to lose.

  20. Tom Baccei Reply

    December 11, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Just noticed that the “Journal of Nuclear Physics” only has a page saying “This Account Has Been Suspended!” What’s up with that?

    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/

    This, of course, is Andrea Rossi’s blog.

    • admin Reply

      December 11, 2011 at 8:46 am

      Hi Tom,

      It happens every now and then. AR sometimes blames it on attacks but it may equally be down to a poor host service. It usually gets going again fairly quickly although, being Sunday, things might be slower today.

      Paul

    • GreenWin Reply

      December 12, 2011 at 1:43 am

      Works just fine for us…

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